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Re: U.S. Presidential Election 2024

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matthewfarmery wrote: Fri, 26. Jul 24, 08:02 Now, Trump has chickened out on debating with Harris, :lol: Trump is saying, he won't debate, unless the democrat party finalise the nominee. So much for anytime, any where. Trump is a coward. And Harris will make him look like a fool. And this latest move, just proves that even more. He scared of her.
I don't think He is scared of her, it's just he don't had plan or strategy battle with her, since Trump was full time busy plan strategy with Biden, but now Biden drop, and she come up, so all old plan strategy that trump had is useless and outdate, so he fall back and try new plan and new strategy with new enemies, so I don't think Trump scared of her, it's just he need more time and knowledge to counter her. Real genius would done right away and right now instantly, it's show trump don't had that genius so he need help from other or his mind is little slow try use knowledge, connect with other people who know her downside, I guess. But I'm petty sure Trump do not scared of her, or fear her, but Trump might be mad if he lost to her, but people who mad, is don't often scared of enemies, they just get anger or want revenge mostly, so Trump is not that kind of guy who scared of anyone but he might scared losing power, but it's more likely he anger or mad, not scared, I don't know. Anger and scared don't go hand to hand. Trump seem kind of guy who get anger, not scare.

People who withdraw from it do not mean they scared of someone or something, they just fall back and try do new plan to bring them down or even playing as underdog to bring them down.

That's political in usa, attack each other is part of their plan, although they did try offer people and said people they gave plan something better for everyone, but it's often they don't do it once they are in power or they doing opposite what they said or what people think when they are win and in office. democratic party are often petty good with way of word, sugar word to people but once they are in office, it's just make worse for everyone, meanwhile republican don't had a way of word with people, but often did make not make worse for everyone like Democratic do, but both do not make everyone better in long terms for many years, just that small group of people, or other group of people, but not whole people ever since corrupted, where there is no win-win for everyone, it's just win-lose or lose-win or lose-lose for everyone but no win-win.

I guess they attack each other because they try tell people why they vote for them and not for other, tell people they can fix while other can't fix, basic, it's same for other side.
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Your ,issing the point mind, as Trump earlier this week basically said, that he would debate Harris as long as it was on the fox channel. Now he has chickened out and U turned on that. Why make the earlier statement then? But we seen this before in Trump, like he would testify in E. Jean Carroll trials, but never did. That he would testify in the Hush money trial and never did.

Even if its true that he needs more time, then Trump or his campaign should not have said, we would debate Harris with string attached.

I still say he is scared of her. And very likely may start using the N word against her. So far, I don't think he has, but its going to happen at some point, if his buttons are pushed. So if the actual debate won't be going ahead as planned, that he will be another chicken out from Trump. He likes to say one thing but does another. That is a common trait in Trump. And besides, he doesn't like strong woman.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and make a prediction here. Let's see how well it proves true.

Trump is going to ride the issue of Harris being on the ballot illegitimately all the way to the election. When he loses (by a very small margin), he will claim it is a fraudulent and stolen election and that he is the rightful president, all the way up to his next coup attempt.

Trump will do his best to keep his own hands clean of any coup attempt, like the mafia boss he is. Rather, he will rely on his own supporters in the US military to do the dirty work for him. There may be enough members of the US military who will be so convinced it was a fraudulent and stolen election, that they will be willing to violate their oaths and do the work of fighting for him, without any necessarily direct traceable orders from Trump.

Yes, there are many diehard Trump supporters that are so deluded that they would risk civil war to see that their man is installed in power.
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Remember that stunt Trump pulled in Michigan with the Black church full of white people claiming that Black people love him, well it looks like it failed there has been a poll done in Michigan with black voters with the result of 0.00% of black voters in Michigan intend on voting for Trump, I've never heard of anyone getting 0.00% before. Talking about low numbers, Vance's approval rating has come in at a measly 22% approval, now that's low, I wonder what it feels like to find out you are hated by so many people, and I wonder how long he will last as Trumps VP pick.
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Vance was a bad choice, he made some nasty remarks about woman, and that won't hep him at all. Plus he has some connections to some project called "project 2025" Trump denies knowing anything about it, but later said, that he like parts of it. (but didn't say what parts) It a vision by Trump's loyalist republican friends to give Trump more power, if he wins. (sounds familiar?) So they are getting ready for his return and to give him dictatorship powers.

I would say, if he does lose, it may very well be another coup.

Also, the gloves are off, Harris has been hitting back at Trump, and calling out his lies. Nice one!!!
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matthewfarmery wrote: Sat, 27. Jul 24, 09:48 Vance was a bad choice ...
I thought that the choice is "good" from your viewpoint?
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jlehtone wrote: Sat, 27. Jul 24, 11:57
matthewfarmery wrote: Sat, 27. Jul 24, 09:48 Vance was a bad choice ...
I thought that the choice is "good" from your viewpoint?
Too true, anything bad for Trump is good. Hopefully the choice will backfire on him, in the coming months. Especially if Vance's approval rating plummets farther to oblivion.
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Donald Trump wrote: Christians, get out and vote, just this time. You won't have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what, it will be fixed, it will be fine, you won't have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians. I love you Christians. I'm a Christian. I love you, get out, you gotta get out and vote. In four years, you don't have to vote again, we'll have it fixed so good you're not going to have to vote.
Trump always comes around after stuff like this and says it is a joke. But Trump's "jokes" always have a way of revealing what his true thoughts and intentions are. If democracy doesn't work to get and keep Trump in power, guaranteed he will try to find an alternative method.
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Falcrack wrote: Sat, 27. Jul 24, 21:53
Donald Trump wrote: Christians, get out and vote, just this time. You won't have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what, it will be fixed, it will be fine, you won't have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians. I love you Christians. I'm a Christian. I love you, get out, you gotta get out and vote. In four years, you don't have to vote again, we'll have it fixed so good you're not going to have to vote.
Trump always comes around after stuff like this and says it is a joke. But Trump's "jokes" always have a way of revealing what his true thoughts and intentions are. If democracy doesn't work to get and keep Trump in power, guaranteed he will try to find an alternative method.
I wouldn't call that a joke, Its the kind of thing that should make every American shudder. I call it sick and really shows the kind of person that he is and wants to be. Its why he needs to stay out of power. If Trump continues to say stuff like this, and he will, others will take it far more seriously, and think he needs to removed permanently.
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voting is certainly a burden
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Democrats are calling out Trump for his remarks about not needing to vote again, once he returns to power. It's not being taken as a joke. And Trump is getting backlash for the remarks. Joke or not, he should not have said it. And people are getting worried by those remarks.
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I dunno why anyone is acting shocked by this. This isn't exactly a revelation and is one of the goals of project 2025. This crap right here is exactly why I said it's a shame the bullet missed. He is an enemy of the US and should be treated as such, not be given a chance to take up residence in the white house.
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Vertigo 7 wrote: Sun, 28. Jul 24, 11:12 I dunno why anyone is acting shocked by this. This isn't exactly a revelation ...
If trivial options are (A) to ignore the "obvious", or (B) be shocked and urge everyone to vote, then isn't pretending to be shocked the lesser evil?
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jlehtone wrote: Sun, 28. Jul 24, 11:40
Vertigo 7 wrote: Sun, 28. Jul 24, 11:12 I dunno why anyone is acting shocked by this. This isn't exactly a revelation ...
If trivial options are (A) to ignore the "obvious", or (B) be shocked and urge everyone to vote, then isn't pretending to be shocked the lesser evil?
Who says those are the only two options? Most decisions are not binary in nature.
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Vertigo 7 wrote: Sun, 28. Jul 24, 11:12 I dunno why anyone is acting shocked by this. This isn't exactly a revelation and is one of the goals of project 2025. This crap right here is exactly why I said it's a shame the bullet missed. He is an enemy of the US and should be treated as such, not be given a chance to take up residence in the white house.
Which is why, everything that he says can't be treated as a joke. Even if that is Trump's intention. It is what will happen once get regains power. But the more twisted his words, the more people will see him for what he really is. (I hope) a monster bent on revenge and power. I guess people are shocked because they don't expect a ex president to say these things. Especailly in a democratic country. But that is the problem, Trump will take that away. And yes, its part of this project 2025, and that should also be feared. I think Harris is already starting to fight back and call him out. Probably one reason he doesn't want to debate her.

But then again, here is the interesting detail, even though he would have debated Biden, but Biden wouldn't have been locked in as a candidate either. So its a moot point that Trump is making. Again, it shows that Trump is scared of her.
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Here's a question, has anyone ever seen Trump tell an actual joke, even better still, has anyone ever seen him laugh at a joke or even just laugh.
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Not to my knowledge, he has laughed, but I think its more in a sadist kind of way, rather then funny kind of way.

Also, Trump been caught out struggling Saturday night, when he was getting confused on who to attack. While he was happy to attack Biden for being confused in his speeches, Trump is far worse. I hope the media pick this up more. Sure it was easy for Trump to attack Biden over his age and way of speaking, But now that there is only one old guy in the race, Just makes him look a fool. And more needs to be done to raise this.
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Vertigo 7 wrote: Sun, 28. Jul 24, 11:12 This crap right here is exactly why I said it's a shame the bullet missed
Diabolical comment; no better than Jan 6th rioters with the gallows... and if that doesn't make you stop and think, then bloomin 'eck.

@everyone else - he also had chants of "lock her up" and more during his campaigns. Zero attempt made to lock her (Hillary) up. Doesn't mean whatever crackpot statement he makes is false, doesn't mean it's true either. If you're truly moved, not only the ballot box, but maybe get involved campaigning/supporting whomever floats your particular boat.
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Chips wrote: Sun, 28. Jul 24, 21:20
Vertigo 7 wrote: Sun, 28. Jul 24, 11:12 This crap right here is exactly why I said it's a shame the bullet missed
Diabolical comment; no better than Jan 6th rioters with the gallows... and if that doesn't make you stop and think, then you *are* as bad.
Two sides to that, on one, if Trump had gone down for good, then his threat would have ended there. And everything that he threatens would be far worse then J6, it could very well start a civil war. His actions and ideals would destroy America. I suggest you look up project 2025, because if he comes into power, parts or all of it, will be enforced. He is a clear and present danger.

On the other, while its bad to wish someone dead, and this is true, the problem is, Trump is just too much of a threat. Unless he loses, then he will be gone for good. At least not a big threat as he is now.
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1) refer you to Jon Stewart; worth watching the entire clip, but mainly the "horizon of history" part. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j32Q4fJ67CE
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The Republican nominee himself has distanced himself from the proposal.

"I know nothing about Project 2025," he posted on his social media website, Truth Social. "I have no idea who is behind it.

"I disagree with some of the things they're saying and some of the things they’re saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c977njnvq2do


You don't just get to kill or wish death upon people you dislike, nor unilaterally decide they're defacto enemy-of-the-state(?) because you say so. Honestly, if people aren't seeing a parallel with Jan 6th "PATRIOTS!", then that's a concern.

Because as soon as we start deciding it's *OUR* particular opinion that's correct and the other should fricken die because, risk, then...


You're alarmed by someone posting something and others saying it's the policy despite denying of that? Get out and protest/vote/campaign etc. Don't sit and decide someone needs to die instead - otherwise there goes the whole justice arm of your government. Who needs them, you guys can decide what's legal/right/wrong etc.

There can be *no* moral high ground, or any moral ground full stop, if people start resorting to "clear and present danger!!1!!" and deciding what should happen. I refer back to the "no better than...".

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