Russia-Ukraine War

[chew-ie]

Sorry to put a wrench into this, but Reporting from Ukraine is kinda trash channel that serve nothing but hyper-positive, pro-Ukrainian propaganda.
Nothing but "we are winning and when we are not winning, it's all according to THE PLAN" on daily basis.

It's so bad that even that weird pro-Russian Defense Politics Asia channel looks slightly more tone down and attached to reality and this is relly low bar

No need to apologize - it is crystal clear that currently all information have to be taken with a grain of salt. It's the same procedure as always with any media - be it "new" formats or old ones.

[mr.WHO]

It's not even about taking stuff with the grain of salt.

I watched Reporting from Ukraine, along other channels for months.
I can confidently say there is nothing of useful sustenance there, only plain propaganda.

[chew-ie]

It's not even about taking stuff with the grain of salt.

I watched Reporting from Ukraine, along other channels for months.
I can confidently say there is nothing of useful sustenance there, only plain propaganda.

You'll find no non-propaganda sources. All are leaning towards one side. As said - nothing new here.

[Falcrack]

It's not even about taking stuff with the grain of salt.

I watched Reporting from Ukraine, along other channels for months.
I can confidently say there is nothing of useful sustenance there, only plain propaganda.

Though Reporting from Ukraine does have a bias, and tends to focus more on Ukrainian gains, it does highlight Ukrainian losses as well. And bias notwithstanding, you can generally get a good idea of the state of the front line by watching these reports.

[mr.WHO]

You'll find no non-propaganda sources. All are leaning towards one side. As said - nothing new here.

Though Reporting from Ukraine does have a bias, and tends to focus more on Ukrainian gains, it does highlight Ukrainian losses as well. And bias notwithstanding, you can generally get a good idea of the state of the front line by watching these reports.

I didn't say there is some kind of perfect channel/source that present neutral non-biased stance.
Reporting from Ukraine is for me the over the top rudiculous and detached from reality.

Ultimately after months of observation of various channels, I dropped nearly all of them and prefer simply to stick with interactive maps for general overview.


Interactive map with event markers and notes/articles attached:
https://liveuamap.com/en

Google map with simple highlight of frontline and recent movements - like it for clarity and no information overload:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/embed?mid ... g&entry=yt

Recent addition to my map collection due to nice russian fortification layer function:
https://deepstatemap.live/en#6/49.438/32.053

[burger1]

Likely more Russian psyop drama or fake event Prigozhin trying to start a civil war? Russia blew up a wagner camp or two on purpose? Might get lucky and see some action out of it. Until then not really reliable. Watch what they do vs what they say.

Prigozhin: There are 25,000 of us and we are going to figure out why this chaos is happening in the country. 25,000 is a tactical reserve, but the strategic reserve is our whole army and the whole country. Everyone who wants, join us. We must end this disgrace.

[chew-ie]

Yeah, I'm inclined to raise an eyebrow on that. That guy Prigozhin always was strange and some kind of wildcard. Curious how this will play out - if anything comes out of that at all.

[mr.WHO]

After over a year, there is more and more coverage on early hours and days of the war:


Battle for Kyiv
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov10MD3HFao

Battle of Kharkiv
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H8KF3i2iBU

[Chips]

Are you guys discussing whether Random Unknown Person who starts Youtube channel and "reports" is a good/reliable source or not?

Anyone can make a channel. Doesn't make anyone a reliable/reputable/honest news/information source. Seeking them out implies confirmation bias.

Of course they may be regurgitating main stream or at least validated news sources so actually accurate, but the question still remains why that'd be preferential

[notaterran]

Hypothetically speaking, could Russia's army of conscripts wage war against Ukraine and deal with Wagner at the same time?

[mr.WHO]

It's happening:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66005256

I shouldn't even be suprised, yet Russia seems to be world number one in exploring new levels of stupidity.

[Observe]

Looks pretty serious: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/06/ ... ass-a81615

"Russia’s Federal Security Agency (FSB) has filed criminal charges against Prigozhin for “inciting an armed uprising,” the Prosecutor General’s Office said late Friday."

So what now? Civil war within Russia?

[UnknownObject]

So what now? Civil war within Russia?

1923 Bierkeller-Putsch
2023 Vorschlaghammer-Putsch

[burger1]

Russia deploying armoured vehicles in Moscow.

Prigozhin might have his mercenaries deployed in Rostov (Rostov-on-Dan).

Road heading to Moscow from Rostov may have been closed down.

Wagner might have shot down a Russian helicopter???

Russia might have recalled their troops from Voronezh to reinforce Moscow. Voronezh is between Rostov and Moscow.

So no real actions to confirm a coup or anything since no hard changes/conflicts.

[fiksal]

It appears at least Russian commentators agree on Wagner moving, and maybe a missile strike was real.

It's still a long way off from a coup, it seems. Nor we'd want Prigozhin to replace Putin, as one blood thursty nut replacing another. But anything other than war as business as usual, is in a way, positive.

[UnknownObject]

My contact in Rostov-on-Don confirms: the city is under Wagner's control, they've taken it without resistance.
M4 "Don" highway has been closed down in the southern part of Lipetsk Oblast - the region I was born in.
The Putsch isn't there yet, but Wagner mercs are on the way. Prigozhin has personally arrived into Rostov-on-Don military HQ and claims Moscow is the destination.

[burger1]

One report of light fighting but could be wagner vs a citizen or the police? Light fighting don't think there was artillery etc...?

[UnknownObject]

One report of light fighting but could be wagner vs a citizen or the police? Light fighting don't think there was artillery etc...?

Unclear. I know only three shot down government helicopters reported.

[fiksal]

My contact in Rostov-on-Don confirms: the city is under Wagner's control, they've taken it without resistance.

how do they determine that? He took Mayor's office? TV?

[UnknownObject]

how do they determine that? He took Mayor's office? TV?

They have white bandages on shoulders - Wagner's distinctive signs. City administration, central police station and military HQ are surrounded by them.
Prigozhin has already recorded a video from the city. "Gerasimov and Shoigu must arrive here, or we go to Moscow"

I keep tracking MASH, ASTRA and other Telegram channels affiliated with each side of the conflict.

How paradoxical. Prigozhin stated the reason for the invasion was absolutely farfetched, but he is not less hawkish than the Kremlin officials.