Russia-Ukraine War

[UnknownObject]

I don't see what their aim is here

Punishment of Shoigu and Gerasimov.

[Observe]

I don't see what their aim is here

Punishment of Shoigu and Gerasimov.

I wonder what the sentiment among the Russian populace is toward Wagner?

[UnknownObject]

I wonder what the sentiment among the Russian populace is toward Wagner?

Mixed. For some of Russians he's a backstabber and a mutineer, for some he's the one Making Russia Great Again, who goes to cleanse Russia of kleptocrats. The support of Prigozhin seems to decrease, though.
But even pro-govenment Russians feel Wagner is more skilled, so only a white flag can be contraposed to them.

[burger1]

Looks like some people are openly supporting Wagner and giving them food etc... even defending them from others in the street.

Convoy has apparently been attacked to some extent. Just driving up to Moscow seems fairly risky.

Some Russian military seem in favour of joining the Wagner group in their actions. Perhaps Wagner is depending on it.

Voronezh and Rostov-on-Don both have populations over 1 million people so hopefully Wagner has troops dispersed in those cities as a back up. Russia's less likely to use vacuum bombs and other heavy stuff inside their own cities??

[mr.WHO]

Zelensky during battle of Kyiv - "I need guns, not a lift"
Putin when Wagner was still 500 km from Moscov - "F*ck I'm out"

[burger1]

Wagners spreading it's forces out to more Russian cities.

There was some activity (fire) near Moscow in the Russian military prior to the Wagner move?

Russia blows up it's own oil depot?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyCJz23sMoY

[felter]

Well it looks like I called it again, I did say this was going to happen several weeks ago and that Prigozhin would be a main player in it.

Anyway, anything that you hear right now should be taken with a pinch of salt as there is an enormous amount of misinformation doing the round, something the Russians are actually good at, telling lies.

[UnknownObject]

Reportedly, Lukashenko has convinced Prigozhin to suspend the advance to Moscow.
Prigozhin has confirmed this. They're coming back to the zone of war.

[burger1]

Reportedly, Lukashenko has convinced Prigozhin to suspend the advance to Moscow.
Prigozhin has confirmed this. They're coming back to the zone of war.

Might be fake news? Some people are saying the opposite. Need to wait and find out. I doubt Prigozhin can just turn around apparently there have been orders to kill him.

[felter]

The only things I can find about Lukashenko is that he has fled Belarus to Turkey and that Belarusian rebels have warned him they are coming for him, soon.

Talking about fleeing, no one actually knows where Putin is, his government has said he is in the Kremlin, but his private plane took off and switched off its transponder soon after and no one knows where it is or who was on it.

[chew-ie]

Reportedly, Lukashenko has convinced Prigozhin to suspend the advance to Moscow.
Prigozhin has confirmed this. They're coming back to the zone of war.

Might be fake news? Some people are saying the opposite. Need to wait and find out. I doubt Prigozhin can just turn around apparently there have been orders to kill him.

It is. Like felter said - the amount of disinformation is increasing a lot. So much that media can't keep up.

[UnknownObject]

Reportedly, Lukashenko has convinced Prigozhin to suspend the advance to Moscow.
Prigozhin has confirmed this. They're coming back to the zone of war.

Might be fake news? Some people are saying the opposite. Need to wait and find out. I doubt Prigozhin can just turn around apparently there have been orders to kill him.

He's saying this here (Russian): https://t.me/concordgroup_official/1303

[Tamina]

It is all over the reputable news sites in Germany as well. They also say the information comes from Wagner themselves.

One can't possibly confirm it more than that.

[burger1]

What deal could they have possibly come to? Honesty isn't exactly Russia's strong point. Doesn't make sense unless Prigozhin or the people near him have something important to lose.

A trick to out anti-government people?

[Observe]

Associated Press: "The head of the Wagner force said Saturday he has ordered his mercenaries to halt their march on Moscow and retreat to their field camps in Ukraine to avoid shedding Russian blood."

[UnknownObject]

Prigozhin said Wagner was to be disbanded, so they showed their muscles to convince everyone not to mess with them. I don't get fully the thing too.

[mr.WHO]

I don't get what his plan is - if he stand down now, he's dead man walking - there is no way in hell Putin will let him live.

[notaterran]

Negotiations Russian style, perhaps the army leaders will be removed in exchange for Wagner not attacking Moscow.

[EGO_Aut]

Associated Press: "The head of the Wagner force said Saturday he has ordered his mercenaries to halt their march on Moscow and retreat to their field camps in Ukraine to avoid shedding Russian blood."

And for this helicopters and planes were shot down, fuel and oil depots exploded across the country, the roads were dug up, trucks scrapped, Putin fled to St. Petersburg, all the oligarchs and Luka flew to Turkey, the Chechens were brought here, tanks were brought to Moscow etc etc?

What is the Russian population thinking now? In the news tomorrow: Wagner went on a shopping spree to Moscow yesterday, swapping washing machines and air conditioners for vodka.

It remains exciting.

[chew-ie]

Negotiations Russian style, perhaps the army leaders will be removed in exchange for Wagner not attacking Moscow.

Must be an emergency break by Russia ("at all costs"). The time between the negotiations, the flooding of this statements on multiple sources - way too fast for a "please stop, let's talk about it".