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Re: U.S. Presidential Election 2024

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felter wrote: Mon, 11. Nov 24, 01:02 Trumps election is causing a headache for the UK Government they just don't know what to do about him. They have raise defence spending as they predict his actions intentionally or not will probably cause a major war, I know our previous government were looking at bringing back conscription and I wouldn't be surprise if the current one ends up doing this also.
It's just false. They had already pledged to raise defence spending way before trump was even running. This isn't hard to find out. Whether they raise it yet further is definitely a question though. It's absolutely true that Trump's prior rhetoric has included banging on about nation spending on defence not meeting 2% of GDP. The UK already exceeds that, but the question as to whether he may remove Ukraine help and who'll shoulder the shortage (if anyone) is the actual issue.

Conscription was a dog whistle to a minority as a vote winner, not serious policy. It was absolutely ridiculed.
felter wrote: Mon, 11. Nov 24, 01:02 The UK is normally one of the first countries to make an official invite to a new incoming President to visit the UK the problem is legally Trump is not allowed to enter the UK as he is a convicted felon with also a rape conviction, though while that one is civil it still has to be taken into account and with 49 sexual assault allegations against him, he has to be considered a prolific sexual predator and these types of people are normally never allowed to enter the UK.
Demonstrably false though - just read https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... accessible
As you acknowledge, the rape is a civil suit so isn't "convicted"; but the rules are clear. His sentencing has yet to occur wrt the felonies - maybe it'll happen. But the kicker is everything is up to the Government; they can override everything and there's no problem in doing so. Why you'd think there is... just if they do go full state visit 2 then hopefully folks will find that Donald Baby blimp and fly it high and proud again. I mean, that's literally going to be the most upsetting thing for him. Other than perhaps King Charles ducking the engagement due to sudden chronic "diarrhoea". We can butt hope.
felter wrote: Mon, 11. Nov 24, 01:02 They don't know what to do about this, I suspect the UK and other governments around the world will only supply America with the bare minimum information mainly just need to know things, like if a terrorist group was about to attack America I suspect everything else will be held back out of fear of it being leaked either during or after his Presidency. This alone is something that should never be happening, but Trump and America cannot be trusted while he is in power, so it has to be considered.
The UK and USA work very closely, as do many allied nations, in a huge and wide variety of areas. The idea that they'll "stfu" and not share is farcical. There is an absolutely insane quantity of information these nations find/harvest/share and it isn't all on the leaders plate as this isn't the feudal middle ages where no-one can make a decision without the GLORIOUS LEADER's! say so. The benefits of cooperation are going to far outweigh the absolute "pull up the drawbridges"; they have people (in numbers) embedded in each other's agencies/locations/services. I'm sure there'll be a few moments/headaches, but it's not going to ruin them. They appeared to manage perfectly fine last time after all...

This (from Jon Stewart, again - i know i keep using him, but there's a reason)... https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2255474384912659 and https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1431111420883092 It's worth watching for some perspective (filmed before the election by 5 months). It is worthwhile for any side of any political spectrum as it's NOT specific to any side. It's just an observation. But every generation thinks their's is the worst; it's all over. As he says "they dropped the Atomic bomb..." (history).

The world isn't going to end. We've been in a cold war where any wrong saying/action results in total nuclear war. We've experienced huge financial turmoil, complete upheaval in politics and more. It's likely going to be a rocky road ahead. But it's not the end and we're not all about to die. It's 4 years, we'll be fine... within reason :D
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So Matt Gaetz is going to be Attorney General. Is it fair to say woman in America are f-ed or would that be to on the nose and dark considering that we are talking about the guy how has been accused of human trafficking with intent to sexually exploit and who has voted down every single human trafficking bill while in congress?


Source: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/11/13/poli ... ey-general
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that's nice, so it did pay off for him at the end
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I've never seen rapists work so hard to cover for each other as those 2.
Reap what you sow.

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Pete Hegseth for defense secretary could be a serious probnlem for for the American military could see him being at odds with high ranking generals. As this will be a pentagon post, this guy is going to push his ideas at a faster rate. Especailly against women in the armed forces. This has alermed quite a few people. But I don't think house republicans will care less. How many distinguished generals will lose their jobs or get fired? It's very likely they will be replaced by a Hitler type generals. So in this respect, the US armed forces will be in disarray. And from at least one source, recruitment in the armed forces is becoming an all time low. So women will be less easger to join. and forget transgender people.

One mess after another. so this will only make things worse, especailly on the world stage, and if the EU needs American aid to continue dealing with putin, and forget NATO. Trump will very likely cut ties there. He threatened with-drawling from that before, this time, I think he will very likely go through with it. Especailly with Putin and any other conflicts that arise because of Trump.
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*rofl* @ US health department lead. This is really a "how can we wreck the country the fastest" shitshow :mrgreen: Can't do anything more then laughing, everything else hurts too much.
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I think RFK Jr. is an excellent choice. It is no secret that the United States population is not very healthy. Kennedy has some great ideas to help improve our food and water, along with an extensive array of other measures that will likely be helpful. These are areas that he has spent decades litigating and advocating. We are not doing very well with health right now, so perhaps some different approaches may be worth considering.
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Observe wrote: Fri, 15. Nov 24, 00:15 I think RFK Jr. is an excellent choice. It is no secret that the United States population is not very healthy. Kennedy has some great ideas to help improve our food and water, along with an extensive array of other measures that will likely be helpful. These are areas that he has spent decades litigating and advocating. We are not doing very well with health right now, so perhaps some different approaches may be worth considering.
So what great ideas does he have?
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Observe wrote: Fri, 15. Nov 24, 00:15 I think RFK Jr. is an excellent choice. It is no secret that the United States population is not very healthy. Kennedy has some great ideas to help improve our food and water, along with an extensive array of other measures that will likely be helpful. These are areas that he has spent decades litigating and advocating. We are not doing very well with health right now, so perhaps some different approaches may be worth considering.
You failed to mention that he also has no real expertise, just incessant badgering to the weak willed and feeble minded and would have been wholly ignored if his last name wasn't Kennedy. Not to mention the rest of the Kennedy family has disowned him over his shenanigans so, there's that too.

Real licensed and trained physicians and geneticists and biologists don't listen to RFK. Everything he's claimed has been debunked by actual science. In fact, if doctors do what RFK wants, they'd likely lose their medical license after having lost many malpractice lawsuits along the way.

What's really gonna be hilarious, if this is truly Darth Hamburders choice, I can't waaaaiiiit to watch his senate confirmation hearing. They're gonna rip that brain worm food guy to peices.
Reap what you sow.

"I don't think people should be taking medical advice from me" - Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Secretary Health and Human Services, May 2025
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Vertigo 7 wrote: Fri, 15. Nov 24, 04:09
Observe wrote: Fri, 15. Nov 24, 00:15 I think RFK Jr. is an excellent choice. It is no secret that the United States population is not very healthy. Kennedy has some great ideas to help improve our food and water, along with an extensive array of other measures that will likely be helpful. These are areas that he has spent decades litigating and advocating. We are not doing very well with health right now, so perhaps some different approaches may be worth considering.
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What's really gonna be hilarious, if this is truly Darth Hamburders choice, I can't waaaaiiiit to watch his senate confirmation hearing. They're gonna rip that brain worm food guy to peices.
I think it is very likely that the Trump administration will bypass the senate confirmation hearings via recess appointments, at least for the most controversial people like RFK and Gaetz. That way they will not have to answer any questions. Any challanges against going this route will be shut down by the supreme court.
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Observe wrote: Fri, 15. Nov 24, 00:15 I think RFK Jr. is an excellent choice. It is no secret that the United States population is not very healthy. Kennedy has some great ideas to help improve our food and water, along with an extensive array of other measures that will likely be helpful. These are areas that he has spent decades litigating and advocating. We are not doing very well with health right now, so perhaps some different approaches may be worth considering.
well let's make a quick list what makes him great then
- he is anti vaccine
- he is against fluoride in water
- HIV causes AIDS
- antidepressants lead to school shootings
- he has a fetish for dead animals apparently!
- clearing out “entire departments” at FDA, including the one responsible for nutrition standards.

and so it goes on apparently.

He is better than a witch doctor, I give you that. It seems like era of anti intellectualism is only a couple months away. He will be great
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as soon as I type above, we will have a tv host in charge of the defense department

https://apnews.com/article/trump-hegset ... 2afd40ec72

hot topics for this guy
- opposed to “woke” programs that promote equity and inclusion
- the role of women in combat
- advocated pardoning service members charged with war crimes

loyal but with no experience. This is actually reminding me how Putin has been selecting his cabinet.

another fine pick
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clakclak wrote: Fri, 15. Nov 24, 12:53
Vertigo 7 wrote: Fri, 15. Nov 24, 04:09
Observe wrote: Fri, 15. Nov 24, 00:15 I think RFK Jr. is an excellent choice. It is no secret that the United States population is not very healthy. Kennedy has some great ideas to help improve our food and water, along with an extensive array of other measures that will likely be helpful. These are areas that he has spent decades litigating and advocating. We are not doing very well with health right now, so perhaps some different approaches may be worth considering.
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What's really gonna be hilarious, if this is truly Darth Hamburders choice, I can't waaaaiiiit to watch his senate confirmation hearing. They're gonna rip that brain worm food guy to peices.
I think it is very likely that the Trump administration will bypass the senate confirmation hearings via recess appointments, at least for the most controversial people like RFK and Gaetz. That way they will not have to answer any questions. Any challanges against going this route will be shut down by the supreme court.
I'm not so sure the senate is going to play ball. The new senate majority leader is not a MAGA loyalist. I guess we'll see if he has a spine or not. I know the odds are against it with him being a republican and all.
Reap what you sow.

"I don't think people should be taking medical advice from me" - Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Secretary Health and Human Services, May 2025
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I think the bigger problem right now is that Musk is everywhere and behave like he owns the place.

Like since when he became diplomat and doing US-Iran talks?
or sits on the phone with Trump during most talks with foreign leaders?
When will he have time for 2 Trillion $ spending cuts by 2026?
Will it be late and feature downgraded like Starship is?

The ballot was Trump-Vance, not Trump-Musk.


I think once this term end, Americans gonna have a very strong opinion about billionares anywhere near politics.


On a positive note, if they screw up badly, those 10 mil votes that Harris missed will re-materialize for sure in mid-terms.
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Vertigo 7 wrote: Fri, 15. Nov 24, 04:09What's really gonna be hilarious, if this is truly Darth Hamburders choice, I can't waaaaiiiit to watch his senate confirmation hearing. They're gonna rip that brain worm food guy to peices.
Fortunately, both the House and the Senate have a Republican majority, along with the likelihood that there are some Democrat members of Congress who favor Kennedy (he was a Democrat after all). It will be interesting for sure, but I expect Kennedy to be confirmed.

There are reasons why the Democrats faired so poorly that every single "swing" State turned red this time around. I'm guessing that there were quite a few erstwhile Democrats who switched sides. I am one of them. Clearly, a majority of American voters have had enough with the ultra left-wing "woke" agenda.

It would be wise for liberal progressives to ask themselves what happened and return to a saner approach. One that is more in step with the times. The alternative is for them to continue embracing crazy extremism and see their dreams evaporate even further.
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Just imagine jeopardizing a whole countries future in times of war, economic challenges and extremists [who already doomed our planet back in the last century] regaining strength over some imaginary "woke problem".

The Age of Decadance, for sure... :roll:
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Yes bad, these WoKeNeS!11!11 :roll:

No seriously, I hardly think Trumpelstone was elected because of such proxy war fighting terms. But because of the media power of espc. Musk. Welcome to oligarchy land and super-rich self-service store USA :D

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mr.WHO wrote: Fri, 15. Nov 24, 16:50The ballot was Trump-Vance, not Trump-Musk.
True, but Trump has the right to bring in any advisors that he chooses. Let's see what kind of ideas Musk comes up with and then whether or not Trump agrees. There is no doubt that the United States is heading off a fiscal cliff. Probably there is a lot of waste in government spending. Hopefully Musk will have some sensible suggestions.
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Observe wrote: Fri, 15. Nov 24, 21:37
mr.WHO wrote: Fri, 15. Nov 24, 16:50The ballot was Trump-Vance, not Trump-Musk.
True, but Trump has the right to bring in any advisors that he chooses. Let's see what kind of ideas Musk comes up with and then whether or not Trump agrees. There is no doubt that the United States is heading off a fiscal cliff. Probably there is a lot of waste in government spending. Hopefully Musk will have some sensible suggestions.
Advisor, strictly on burecracy cuts is fine.
A Rasputin like shadow President that aparently knows-all and have hand in everything is not fine.

WTF Musk is doing in diplomacy? That is not his area of expertise and never was.
There was already multiple leaders that confirmed Musk was in the room or on the line when they talked with Trump.
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Observe wrote: Fri, 15. Nov 24, 19:46 It would be wise for liberal progressives to ask themselves what happened and return to a saner approach. One that is more in step with the times. The alternative is for them to continue embracing crazy extremism and see their dreams evaporate even further.
Are you seriously claiming what your oompa loompa king is doing is "sane" as compared to anything that was proposed by Harris? Your Nazi wanna be dictator forming a private army, that doesn't answer to any chain of command, from his supporters within the Army National Guard in red states, to send them into blue states to round up anyone they don't like isn't "crazy" and "extreme"?

I challenge you to name 1, just 1 policy that Harris proposed that any rational person could say is extreme.

If you seriously think anything the democrats pitched was extreme but your overlord is the shining example of stability, you've lost the plot, bigly. Oh and, you seem to have forgotten your overlord sent a mob to attack the US capitol with the intention of killing members of congress and his vice-president over something he knew was a lie. How many cops did your "law and order" comrades kill or maim?
Alerion_V.X3 wrote: Fri, 15. Nov 24, 20:33 Yes bad, these WoKeNeS!11!11 :roll:

No seriously, I hardly think Trumpelstone was elected because of such proxy war fighting terms. But because of the media power of espc. Musk. Welcome to oligarchy land and super-rich self-service store USA :D

Standing Ovations.
I agree 100%. The media is not a friend to the left. Even the so-called liberal networks. They answer to the rich, not the people, and they serve the agenda of the rich, not the people.

There was a HUUGE double standard when it came to how Darth Hamburder was treated by the media vs Biden or Harris. That whack job could go around threatening to arrest/deport/execute US citizens, that gets waived off as just him being him and he doesn't mean it. But Biden says the democrats are going to target him for their race and its "OMG BIDEN THREATNED THE ORANGE ONE?!?! CLUTCH MY PEARLS!!!". Everything Biden or Harris said was scrutinized to the enth degree by the media but not that orange turd.
Reap what you sow.

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