Trump Presidency

[felter]

You know, I find it really, really hard to feel sorry for the guy. Karma can be a bitch sometimes, but he has had it coming for a long time now.

[CommanderLarry]

Hey fellas! This is my first post on the x forums. I figured the discussion of the US election would probably be the best place to go to find a laid back place to make friends in a non judgemental environment.

[fiksal]

why did Gaetz quit? he had it all it seems

welcome to the forum!

[clakclak]

Marjorie Taylor Greene will lead a newly created congressional subcommittee tasekd with fullfilling the plans brought up by Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy DOGE.

If that isn't a dream team then I don't know what is!

[Vertigo 7]

And there I was thinking the House of Representatives were to represent the people of the US. Silly me.

[chew-ie]

And there I was thinking the House of Representatives were to represent the people of the US. Silly me.

Those days are over - and the US seems to be happy with it.

[matthewfarmery]

Trump has yet to sign the ethics agreement required for the presidential transition, allowing him to raise unlimited amounts of money from unknown donors to pay for the staff, travel, and office space involved in preparing to take over the government.

So basically, as long as he doesn't sigh this agreement, then no donor can be named, which means, an almost unlimited amount of money will be raised and used and funnelled as he sees fit. This is clearly a move by the most corrupt president in US history. This is a train wreck in slow motion. No doubt Musk and other billionaires will be there. And how much of that will come from Russia and the Middle East? Trump tried to profit from the presidency during his first term, now se this this unfold during his second.

America has be bought and paid for. Something that America had resisted until now. I say at this point, What little democracy America had left, is now in the gutter.

I think Trump is also going to make an announcement about Transgender people in the military, that they are unfit to serve? Only got a bit of it.

I'm already fearing next year by a lot, and things are going to get a whole lot worse.

Edit

He will likely mass deport Latins and the like, either legally, or illegally, and whoever he sees unfit to live in America. I doubt the GOP will even bother to stop him at this stage, so expect more children in cages and other acts or aggression.

[chew-ie]

He will likely mass deport Latins and the like, either legally, or illegally, and whoever he sees unfit to live in America. I doubt the GOP will even bother to stop him at this stage, so expect more children in cages and other acts or aggression.

The more important question IMHO is when this happens - how many will stand on the sidelines and let it happen. Either because they welcome it or they aren't affected directly. Like - let's say german population let creep in the Nazis and their inhuman actions.

That damn slogan "history repeating" really seems to be hard at work - while all are preoccupied with themselves (wee - inflation! wee - energy costs! wee - ... )

[matthewfarmery]

Concentration camps by the dozen. I mean, even if he does set this in motion, where will he send them too? I certainly see History repeating itself and Americans not even taking a blind bit of notice of recent history.

As for who will stand up and stop it? or will allow this to happen, I think will be a good question. It could very well divide America, and the racist parts of America will very likely allow it, and will join in the fun. As for the rest, the battle lines will be drawn. If this doesn't start another civil war, I don't know what will?

[Vertigo 7]

Well, the 2nd amendment doesn't exist for the sake of inbred republicans to have something to get angry over. Arm yourselves and when his SS comes kicking in your door, be ready to fight back.

[clakclak]

Well, the 2nd amendment doesn't exist for the sake of inbred republicans to have something to get angry over. Arm yourselves and when his SS comes kicking in your door, be ready to fight back.

I mean the pralles to 1930s Germany seemingly are not lost on the political actors active in America. Be it people waving Neo-Nazi flags in Ohio, American Major League Soccer Ultras flying the Flag of the Iron Front (that being a now defunct 1930s paramilitary group alligned with Germany's currently ruling party, the SPD) or the American Antifa movement, which draws a lot of it's iconography from the KPD (communist party Germany) associated Antifaschistische Aktion of the 1920s-30s.

[Vertigo 7]

Well the deplorables and their flag waving aside, I'm far more concerned about Hitler 2.0 raising a private army that doesn't answer to the DoD chain of command with the intent on sending them into "blue states" to forcibly remove anyone he doesn't like. If that's not what the 2nd amendment was meant to safe guard against, then I have no f'n clue what that's even in the constitution for.

[matthewfarmery]

I think Trump 2.0 will certainly raise a private army, no question there. And a secret police like the Gestapo. Expect them to do the fear mongering and report to your local office to report any illegal aliens and the like. They will probably only report to Trump or a trusted second and will bypass all conventual rules and regs.

As for the constitution. That will be buried history, as Trump never supported it in the first place, and won't now. SCOTUS will be bypassed. And the house and senate. Whatever rights citizens had before Trump comes into power will be washed away in the history books. And those actors and actresses who said they will move out if Trump wins, will be panicking and will be forced to move. Same with Prince Harry and that silly wife of his. Now he will have to make a choice, whatever happens mind, I doubt that wife of his will be welcome in the UK, or him, might as well move to the other side of the world.

I will say this, if America does become divided, then the likes of Russia and others will pounce on this.

[matthewfarmery]

Shocking I tell you - NOT!!!

Trump is going to impose tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China, and China has responded saying "war without winners". So yeah, expect things will get nasty and prices will start to go through thr roof. And probably worse to follow. The last time he tried this, it didn't bold well for the US farmer. I expect things will be even worse and the USA will wind up footing the bill and the US debt will skyrocket as Trump has zero clue on what he is doing. Trump is just picking fights, and I expect he will probably impose tariffs on the EU as well. Threatening to withdraw from NATO. If that happens, things will go for a very nasty turn for the worse. Anything here thinking his reign of terror won't be bloody and forgiving, think again.

[Observe]

Trump is going to impose tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China, and China has responded saying "war without winners".

Don't worry. The sky isn't falling. Almost all countries impose tariffs. India is the highest. Often it is done to protect or promote domestic production, including farmers.

It seems that part of Trump's tariffs will be punitive. For example, most of the ingredients used to produce fentanyl come from China. It is up to them to enact measures to stop this. Likewise, Mexico allows waves of refugees to pass through their country on the way to the US border. Refugees/migrants should seek asylum in the first country they enter.

I suppose sanctions might be a better word than tariffs in such cases, because they are punitive. Yes, there are some unsettling consequences, but ultimately, we should be producing everything possible domestically anyway. The market will adjust.

[fiksal]

to me it matters more what I can buy versus what we can produce

and as I recall, cost of products was a big issue in the election, voters want cheaper goods, not more expensive

that's why Trump was elected.

Yes, I get the irony

[Vertigo 7]

someone doesn't understand that businesses are not just going to swallow any tariffs the orange one imposes without passing that cost on to the consumer. Are lobotomies mandatory in MAGA world?

[Observe]

to me it matters more what I can buy versus what we can produce

I would rather buy a hammer produced locally, in support of the local community, than buy one produced by slave labor in a country with horrendous labor laws. Trouble is, no one produces hammers locally, because of cheap imports. This is one of the main reasons that virtually all countries impose tariffs in varying degrees.

someone doesn't understand that businesses are not just going to swallow any tariffs the orange one imposes without passing that cost on to the consumer

Foreign products will cost more. This will level the playing field for domestic production.

Yes, consumers will pay more for local products than they do from cheap foreign markets. That brings up another issue: throw away junk products and planned obsolescence. The world produces an obscene amount of products and then proceeds to throw them away to make way for new crap. This needs to stop. If people pay more for a hammer, there will be the expectation for it to last longer - perhaps a lifetime.

The whole modern mentality of economic growth and consumerism needs to change. Hell, practically everything needs to change. Historically, that would have been the job of progressives, but since they have become lost down a street named crazy, the task is left for others.

[Vertigo 7]

to me it matters more what I can buy versus what we can produce

I would rather buy a hammer produced locally, in support of the local community, than buy one produced by slave labor in a country with horrendous labor laws. Trouble is, no one produces hammers locally, because of cheap imports. This is one of the main reasons that virtually all countries impose tariffs in varying degrees.

someone doesn't understand that businesses are not just going to swallow any tariffs the orange one imposes without passing that cost on to the consumer

Foreign products will cost more. This will level the playing field for domestic production.

Yes, consumers will pay more for local products than they do from cheap foreign markets. That brings up another issue: throw away junk products and planned obsolescence. The world produces an obscene amount of products and then proceeds to throw them away to make way for new crap. This needs to stop. If people pay more for a hammer, there will be the expectation for it to last longer - perhaps a lifetime.

The whole modern mentality of economic growth and consumerism needs to change. Hell, practically everything needs to change. Historically, that would have been the job of progressives, but since they have become lost down a street named crazy, the task is left for others.

You're living under the illusion that "Made in America" is somehow a stamp of quality. It isn't. Neither is something produced overseas always the product of slave labor. Hell, if you wanna talk about horrendous labor laws, go take a look at what your fellow MAGA freaks are doing to dismantle child labor protections here in the US. Speaking of child labor, did you forget your overlord's daughter has her goods manufactured in Chinese sweat shops? Think he's going to do anything to disrupt her business dealings and fight for human rights?

[Observe]

You're living under the illusion that "Made in America" is somehow a stamp of quality. It isn't. Neither is something produced overseas always the product of slave labor. Hell, if you wanna talk about horrendous labor laws, go take a look at what your fellow MAGA freaks are doing to dismantle child labor protections here in the US. Speaking of child labor, did you forget your overlord's daughter has her goods manufactured in Chinese sweat shops? Think he's going to do anything to disrupt her business dealings and fight for human rights?

The points you raise, are valid and serve to illustrate that there is much to be done. By the way, I am not a "MAGA freak". I am a long-time liberal Democrat, who's party lost a wheel and veered into far-left insanity. Many of "us" begrudgingly voted Republican this time around, because more of the same was even more unacceptable than Trump.