Why Terran ships are so slow?

[ZombiePotatoSalad]

This seems to be going back into the X3 style.
With the last DLC, the Split seemed to have regained their title as the speed kings from the Paranid.
Terran ships are slower, but stronk.

[mr.WHO]

Yeah - I think I'll put split engines, Argon Flaks and Paranid Large Plasma.

Unless Terrans will get some beefy missiles and missile turrets which somehow I doubt.

[cranium1]

I agree with OP. I expected Terrans ships to be fast based on lore established in the previous game (X3). Springblossom was the fastest corvette and Spitfyre was the fastest fighter. They were not just fast, they were more than TWICE as fast as the next ship n their class. Even the Fenrir was the fastest heavy fighter.

Of course it was balanced with their sad economy with ginormous stations that took the AI traders hours to dock to lol. I def would have loved some speedy bois from the Terrans!

[AsadullinIF]

Yep, recently I discovered the fun of ussing Buffalo as frigate/gunship - armed with flaks to take out any S/M ships and one large turret to punch a hole.
However, Terran Large freighter doesn't seem to be good candidate for this role.

Yep, the terrans freighter. 25000 cargo(almost the same as Buffalo), but speed of 48 (1600 travel). The worst (but the most beautiful) trade ship in the game?

Speed isn't so important for a flak frigate. Just fly it into the bee swarm, stop all engines and watch the fireworks. ARG flak rips those pesky little N/M/P apart while the L shielding barely gets a dent. Just keep the destroyers busy with your own big guys.

But it is not the flak frigate - it is a L-freighter.

[AsadullinIF]

I agree with OP. I expected Terrans ships to be fast based on lore established in the previous game (X3). Springblossom was the fastest corvette and Spitfyre was the fastest fighter. They were not just fast, they were more than TWICE as fast as the next ship n their class. Even the Fenrir was the fastest heavy fighter.

Of course it was balanced with their sad economy with ginormous stations that took the AI traders hours to dock to lol. I def would have loved some speedy bois from the Terrans!

Exactly. The Terrans was speed-kings. They were unique, strong, their weapons were exclusive for their ships. They were the most technologicaly advanced race in the game. But now they are almost inferior in every way. The terrans stations a looking good, their L ans XL ships and Katana are looking good outside. Thats all.

[MSterling]

The terrans are so slow because Egosoft wanted you to be upset.
Hey, it is clear that you won't accept they had a reason for it in the gameplay balance, so this is the only viable option I can see.

[AsadullinIF]

The terrans are so slow because Egosoft wanted you to be upset.

thats depressing.

[AsadullinIF]

I dont know, guys. Are the Terrans components like shields and weapons exclusive for only terrans ships? If they are, than it is clearly advantage.

[MHDriver]

Ah yes, game balance.. The one thing that no player or developer will come to a consensus on. I am just content to play vanilla until I can mod the game to my particular taste and ES has my gratitude for supporting modding.

[Imperial Good]

Honestly we should continue this in 2 days after the DLC is actually released and we can have hands on experience with the ships. Rather than forming opinions from on paper stats and streamers.

The Cobra is awesome on paper, until you discover that at ~1.2 km/sec flight speed it controls like an out of control train that is always drifting in dogfights and takes close to 10 km to stop from just flying. Sure the Terran one may be slow, but if it drifts less it may be better.

[Alm888]

I expected Terrans ships to be fast based on lore established in the previous game (X3). Springblossom was the fastest corvette and Spitfyre was the fastest fighter. They were not just fast, they were more than TWICE as fast as the next ship n their class.

I am sorry to disappoint you, but you are wrong. Both Springblossom and Spitfyre are not Terran. They are Aldrin.
Proper Terran ships were nothing to write home about:
M5 class:

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ARG Discoverer Vanguard -> 380 m/s
PAR Pegasus Vanguard -> 413 m/s
TER Rapier -> 458 m/s
ATF Valkyrie -> 470 m/s
BOR Octopus Vanguard -> 470 m/s
YAK Fujin Sentinel -> 477 m/s
SPL Jaguar Hauler -> 493 m/s
TEL Harrier Vanguard -> 510 m/s
TEL Kestrel ->

M3 class:

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ARG Nova ->150 m/s (190 for "Raider")
PAR Perseus Vanguard -> 181 m/s (209 for "Raider")
ATF Thor -> 196 m/s
BOR Barracuda Vanguard -> 198 m/s
TER Scimitar -> 199 m/s
YAK Susanowa -> 209 m/s
SPL Mamba -> 210 m/s

So, actual "standard issue" TER ships are quite average. We are not talking about "Prototype" or custom sub-faction models (like OTAS ship line or some quest-only trophies).

[DavidGW]

A couple of notes from someone who is avoiding watching streams but can’t help themselves reading spoilers in the forum:

Terran ships could be good at travel and/or boost, which would make up for slow “military thrust”. Also, extra shielding would help with their boosting ability, keeping actual speed high.

Terran engines could be particularly pathetic, making their ships much faster with Paranid or Split engines.

Also, as they only operate in the Sol system and built a network of orbital accelerators, the Terrans may have never bothered progressing engine technology all that much. On the other hand, Commonwealth races use the “new” Jonferco? M/AM engines, which I do not believe were available in X3 lore-wise. They first appeared in XR, which is why none of the characters would shut up about them.

My memory of Terrans in X3 is they had great shielding, plus they looked amazing. I remember their non-capital weaponry being rather disappointing, and apart from the Springblossom I don’t remember them being fast.

[cranium1]

I am sorry to disappoint you, but you are wrong. Both Springblossom and Spitfyre are not Terran. They are Aldrin.

Poor and ill-informed attempt at pedantry. Aldrin was reunited with the Terran faction in TC and by AP its just like any other Terran system.

Secondly, both the Springy and the Spitfyre are classified as Terran officially by Egosoft.

https://www.egosoft.com:8444/confluence ... /X3WIKI/M3
https://www.egosoft.com:8444/confluence ... /X3WIKI/M6

They even say "welcome to this Terran station!" when you dock there. Just try shooting at Aldrin stations and you can explain to the responding Terran fleet "but officer, I thought they are not Terran!" lmao.

[Alm888]

Poor and ill-informed attempt at pedantry. Aldrin was reunited with the Terran faction in TC and by AP its just like any other Terran system.

Secondly, both the Springy and the Spitfyre are classified as Terran officially by Egosoft.

https://www.egosoft.com:8444/confluence ... /X3WIKI/M3
https://www.egosoft.com:8444/confluence ... /X3WIKI/M6

They even say "welcome to this Terran station!" when you dock there. Just try shooting at Aldrin stations and you can explain to the responding Terran fleet "but officer, I thought they are not Terran!" lmao.

Clinging to limited engine mechanics, aren't we?
Sorry, but Aldrin are not Terran. Faction-wise. Look at the screenshot.
The fact that Aldrin reused Terran sound files for standard welcome messages proves nothing.
Plus, in the "Project Genesis" Terran gamestart the PC explicitly says Aldrin was separated from the Sol. So, just admit, without Aldrin and their custom technology (they didn't even use standard Terran weapons, being limited to inferior "prototype" variants) Terran ships are just average.

[AsadullinIF]

Poor and ill-informed attempt at pedantry. Aldrin was reunited with the Terran faction in TC and by AP its just like any other Terran system.

Secondly, both the Springy and the Spitfyre are classified as Terran officially by Egosoft.

https://www.egosoft.com:8444/confluence ... /X3WIKI/M3
https://www.egosoft.com:8444/confluence ... /X3WIKI/M6

They even say "welcome to this Terran station!" when you dock there. Just try shooting at Aldrin stations and you can explain to the responding Terran fleet "but officer, I thought they are not Terran!" lmao.

Clinging to limited engine mechanics, aren't we?
Sorry, but Aldrin are not Terran. Faction-wise. Look at the screenshot.
The fact that Aldrin reused Terran sound files for standard welcome messages proves nothing.
Plus, in the "Project Genesis" Terran gamestart the PC explicitly says Aldrin was separated from the Sol. So, just admit, without Aldrin and their custom technology (they didn't even use standard Terran weapons, being limited to inferior "prototype" variants) Terran ships are just average.

Are the Valhalla, Vidar, Vali, Skirnir, Thor, Fenrir were "average"? They were the best ships in the game. And the Aldrin ships were the most fun. I dont know if Aldrin is Terrans now or not - but they were terrans for quite some time. This is enough to take over engine technology from them. We are talking of the most technological advanced race in the game. They are no longer isolated. They got acquainted with ships of other races and their characteristics. They could understand the shortcomings of their technology compared to ships of other races. And being the most developed of all, they would definitely be able to eliminate the shortcomings. This is understandable even for a modern person in 2021. But for some reason, people of the future do not think about such things? Are they all stupefied there or what? The Terran Large freighter has the speed of 48/1660 - this is slower than I and K!!! What the hell is this? How the Okinawa suposed to survive in a collision with Xenons? How should she run away? The Xenons are "THAT" the most enemy of the Terrans. And the Terans have made the most defenseless ship - the Okinawa, slower than the slowest Xenon attack ships - it cant fight - it cant run - it just dies. "Ingenious" design solution of the most advanced civilization, if you ask me.

[GCU Grey Area]

Are the Valhalla, Vidar, Vali, Skirnir, Thor, Fenrir were "average"?

As I recall they were all well armed, heavily shielded ships which weren't particularly fast. Average to poor speeds in comparison to equivalent ships. If I recall correctly Valhalla was particularly dreadful in this regard. X4 just seems to be following the same pattern.

[NightmareNight91]

The "real" frigate has 8 M turrets



But yeah, their drone carrier boat has 4 guns ...

Yep, recently I discovered the fun of ussing Buffalo as frigate/gunship - armed with flaks to take out any S/M ships and one large turret to punch a hole.
However, Terran Large freighter doesn't seem to be good candidate for this role.

Yep, the terrans freighter. 25000 cargo(almost the same as Buffalo), but speed of 48 (1600 travel). The worst (but the most beautiful) trade ship in the game?

I use a selene as a boarding frigate...the current "frigates" are more like support corvettes.

[dholmstr]

I think the OP wants the old X3 terran mentality. Back then most fighters all were about 2-5 25M shields while terran always had a +1 slot for shields. The terrans were sturdy , not fast. All 25M shields from all factories were all 25M. Now however the shield itself is a component with own stats. While yes we, the players, can do combo every ship with everything the Factions don't. Thus a terran fighter will not have Split engines nor will the Split be driving Terran shields. Just play around and see what fits you. You like speed, well Split will gladly give you a run for your money. Just slap that Terran shield on it, you might live longer.

[Unheiliger Nomade]

Attention Spoiler:
It seems the Okinawa has a lot more Cargo ...
The Video is in German, but you all know what to look for.

The wharf is from the pioneers:

https://youtu.be/LntqEguhqgI?t=1h22m44s

[AsadullinIF]

I think the OP wants the old X3 terran mentality. Back then most fighters all were about 2-5 25M shields while terran always had a +1 slot for shields. The terrans were sturdy , not fast. All 25M shields from all factories were all 25M. Now however the shield itself is a component with own stats. While yes we, the players, can do combo every ship with everything the Factions don't. Thus a terran fighter will not have Split engines nor will the Split be driving Terran shields. Just play around and see what fits you. You like speed, well Split will gladly give you a run for your money. Just slap that Terran shield on it, you might live longer.

I want the ships itself to be on par - at least no worse than any other ships. Not the components. Ships. At least. But it is better to somehow show the advantage of Terans civilizations in development in the characteristics of their ships. Just a little bit. I told what i want completely clear, i think.