Russia-Ukraine War

[fiksal]

Well I dont want to be saying that, but I think revolution is the only way. Or you wait for this train to crash very slowly. I guess that's an option too. But I also get it, it's hard to go against bullets. I am not sure I would do it by myself.

More likely he will have unfortunate stroke - dude is 70+ years old.

I bet he's already sweating every time he drinks tea

unfortunately we/they don't need another tsar wanna be to replace him, we/they need a new system

[JSDD]

Meanwhile in USA:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1497613102765907968

ridiculous ... what else can you say?
shameless

[Falcrack]

Russians are sending in reinforcements into Ukraine:

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/20 ... en-vpx.cnn

It will be a "target rich environment" for the Ukrainians.

[Falcrack]

I wonder if a NATO member such as Poland, could independently enter the war in support of Ukraine. Not that they would, but just wondering how something like that would fly with the rest of NATO? If done, it would sort of obligate the rest of the members to protect Poland from Russian response. What a mess of nasty WW3 possibilities.

Boots on the ground would be way to dangerous to turn WW3 and would validate Putin propaganda that NATO is coming to get Russia.

It would make more harm than good, as it seem there are some more and more second thoughs among Russian population and soldiers.


The only thing, that I could see viable, If it would be like UN declared no-fly zone to protect Ukraine airspace (but stay away from Belarus, Russia or separatist territories).
In that setting, I could see Poland sending its F-16 as part of UN task force.

However there is no chance for UN resolution as Russia would veto.
I think there is technically no way to strip Russia from Security Council - I have absolutely no doubt that UK, France, US and China would not allow it, as it would open the door to kick them out as well in future...politics.

If a no fly zone was established, that would necessitate air strike to destroy SAMs in Belarus and also Russia. It would be extremely risky, not that I would oppose it. Especially if Ukraine looks like it is not able to hold out alone with its own forces and air defense.

[Falcrack]

I wonder if a NATO member such as Poland, could independently enter the war in support of Ukraine. Not that they would, but just wondering how something like that would fly with the rest of NATO? If done, it would sort of obligate the rest of the members to protect Poland from Russian response. What a mess of nasty WW3 possibilities.

not if poland sends "badgeless" soliders into ukraine

Totally legit! Little green men to the rescue!

[Vertigo 7]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ0AYGSI9uQ

This made me chuckle.

[Vertigo 7]

@fiksal You may just get your revolution after all if this is true...

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConfl ... mutiny_in/

I seem to recall what happened the last time soviet forces mutinied....

[Warenwolf]

@fiksal You may just get your revolution after all if this is true...

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConfl ... mutiny_in/

I seem to recall what happened the last time soviet forces mutinied....

Nope. Wars produces this type of stories in droves and they spread as wildfire. If you see further back in the thread, where I have linked to the news article from CNN that says that Russians are sending in reinforcements into Ukraine?

That is in the same area.

[Vertigo 7]

5k troops would hardly account for the entirety of the reinforcements, I'd think. It's possible both situations are true.

Mutinies among soviets were commonplace towards the fall of the Soviet Union. And from the interviews given of Russian troops captured by Ukraine, it's pretty clear they were also lied to by Putin (only on the border for "exercises" and the sudden inexplicable Nazi outbreak in Ukraine shockingly turned out to be another lie) and have no desire to be in this fight, for the most part. Just saying it's very likely that some of the Russian forces will refuse to fight.

[Warenwolf]

5k troops would hardly account for the entirety of the reinforcements, I'd think. It's possible both situations are true.

I was more thinking that this guy would have picked up if such large formation was rebelling. Also the reinforcements would not have been sent in but either told to stay put (to put down the rebellion, provide security, etc, etc...). All of these are activities which the journalist would have picked up. Note that this news arrived first 12 hours ago (or thereabout - I saw it yesterday) and so far no newspaper have picked it up?

Mutinies among soviets were commonplace towards the fall of the Soviet Union. And from the interviews given of Russian troops captured by Ukraine, it's pretty clear they were also lied to by Putin (only on the border for "exercises" and the sudden inexplicable Nazi outbreak in Ukraine shockingly turned out to be another lie) and have no desire to be in this fight, for the most part.

I am not saying this is not true, just that they are saying what most would say if captured suddenly by non-professional army* you don't know anything about, especially first 30 minutes when you are just as likely to end up dead in a ditch somewhere as to be processed as POW. That is human nature.

*I put this caveat in before someone tries to pontificate about Geneva Convention and dredges examples of heroism and pathos in face of capture.

When I see situations where droves of Russian deserters crosses into Poland, Romania, etc... - then I will entertain the thought that some Russians refusing to fight.

[mr.WHO]

Totally legit! Little green men to the rescue!

It's gonna happen:
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1 ... 8171935746

Ukraine also announced to make Foreign legion from volunteers.
Yesterday I saw flash mob food & suplies donations in multiple cities in Poland, as well as huge line of blood donation in Warsaw.
The morale is so high that, there will be volunteers for sure.

I can also easily imagine Polish special force taking a holiday break to visit Ukraine.
Putin was doing the same and we were taking notes

[JSDD]

I wonder if a NATO member such as Poland, could independently enter the war in support of Ukraine. Not that they would, but just wondering how something like that would fly with the rest of NATO? If done, it would sort of obligate the rest of the members to protect Poland from Russian response. What a mess of nasty WW3 possibilities.

not if poland sends "badgeless" soliders into ukraine

Totally legit! Little green men to the rescue!

i hope "they" bring some heavy centaurs and nova raiders into the battle, armed with some firestorm torpedos ^^

[Warenwolf]

For those that need/want geographical presentation of the conflict (plus if you read news article mentioning that village X has been bypassed, you can put this in a context of overall campaign. ):

https://liveuamap.com/

But as always - truth is always the first victim in a war. A suspicious mind is a healthy mind.

[mr.WHO]

For those that need/want geographical presentation of the conflict (plus if you read news article mentioning that village X has been bypassed, you can put this in a context of overall campaign. ):

https://liveuamap.com/

But as always - truth is always the first victim in a war. A suspicious mind is a healthy mind.

Note that this site is under heavy load (basically whole world use it) - if it don't load, try to F5 several times and it will load eventually.

[mr.WHO]

For the people who watching the footage and what to know what and where this are going on, here is the legend of Russian combat marks:


-Z - Eastern forces
-Z (in square) - Crimea forces
-O - from Belaruss direction
-V - marines
-X - Chechen
-A - Special Forces

[Warenwolf]

During a phone call with Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko, President Volodymyr Zelensky agreed that a Ukrainian delegation would meet with a Russian delegation, without preconditions, near the Pripyat River along the Ukrainian-Belarusian border, the Kyiv Independent reports.

Source:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_ ... us-border/

[Vertigo 7]

Russia has placed its nuclear forces on high alert, in yet another threat aimed as western powers.

[Warenwolf]

Russia has placed its nuclear forces on high alert, in yet another threat aimed as western powers.

INB4 - "But they are provoked by aggressive Western actions while they were rapi...pacifying Ukraine from a nazi yew western puppet leader".

That being said - this is a bit standard for Putins diplomacy as you can see in the article below from 2016.

https://www.thelocal.no/20161031/norway ... s-marines/

Now I am not saying he is NOT going to launch a tactical nuke on Ukraine to prove a point but right now he has no reason. Sure Russians are fumbling this big time but they are actually advancing every day and seem to have rather free reign in the south of the country, having almost linked the Crimea with Donbass with only Mariupol city being in the way.

[mr.WHO]

Well, I think he can give the order or press the big red button...but there is still a lot of sane people betwen this and actual launch.

I think it's more likely, that he will have violent lead poisoning from his own bodyguards and ministers, when he will even look into the direction of that particular suitcase.

[Vertigo 7]

yes, well, it could also mean he's ready to nuke Ukraine.

Putin has to be feeling some embarrassment that his forces haven't accomplished their mission. He practically issued the order to ready the nukes in the same breath he agreed to negotiations on Belarus's border.

I suspect the negotiations are a trap, hoping to capture or kill Zelenkskyy. Of course, he's not an idiot which is why he rejected the talks happen inside Belarus. But I hope that means he sends a proxy. It's not as if Putin will be there.

Also... Zoom? Skype? Google Meet? Facetime? etc...