Trump Presidency

[humility925]

What world ending post by me do you refer to?

You comparing Trump to Hitler and imply that, if he get elected it will end with tragedy.
Same by the way, is with more derange MAGA types about Biden.

Both were in the office and world didn't end.


Telling otherwise is just walking into Weimar Republic territory.



Again, depite having low expectations, I think Americans have more brains than Russians or Germans.
Trump won't be furher and there is no guarantee that Republicans (even less MAGA sub-faction) will even get hold of both chambers.

I don't know, Most americans, including myself are dumb (not by choice due disability), did not Germans had more brain than American in world war 2? Of course lot of germans people with big brain moving to americans to help USA win WW2, to avoid or ran away from germans evil and cruel government in year of 1935 to 1945 at time, more or less. ironically, how that happen when evil party become power and win german's government, Now people point out it's similar what american/USA doing right now, I'm not sure. It's become popular then it's going downhill, oh like people prefer vote biden over trump, and is USA get better or worse?

No, it's worse, as last nearly 4 year, ironically. Americans do not had brain, they stuck or trapped with 2 party, not thinking outside of box.

I asked myself, why people can't see that democratic and republican do not make USA better for so many years, why can't they think outside of box, and end of both party and try something new to make everyone better life, but we got people poor got worse, and rich become richer, and common people keep working so many hours for keep up living paycheck to paycheck while not spend at all other than necessary, more or less. that is not good living, it's slavery in disguise.

[fiksal]

I don't know, Most americans, including myself are dumb (not by choice due disability), did not Germans had more brain than American in world war 2? Of course lot of germans people with big brain moving to americans to help USA win WW2, to avoid or ran away from germans evil and cruel government in year of 1935 to 1945 at time, more or less. ironically, how that happen when evil party become power and win german's government, Now people point out it's similar what american/USA doing right now, I'm not sure. It's become popular then it's going downhill, oh like people prefer vote biden over trump, and is USA get better or worse? No, it's worse, ironically.

Currently I have trouble measuring the brains of peoples.

Russians are apolitical and apathetic. Their silence brought a (Russian version of) fascism. A mix of something new and something we had before in Russia.

I see a lot of parallels in what people in Germany wrote in 30s and what Russians write now

It happened in Germany, it's happening in Russia, it happened before in many places, we just didn't have that word before. And it can happen in other places.

It can happen in US with the right amount of people in power.


People don't need to be clever or dumb, they just need to stop caring

[Chips]

On the good news, if anybody here care to aks:
According to Pennsylvania state police, two other bystanders who got hit are now in stable condition.

Seriously, "if anyone here care to ask" - don't be pathetic.

[mr.WHO]

So according to you, what would not make me pathetic in the crowd here?

Cheering up for the body count?
Wanting more?
Expressing dissapointment from the miss?
Dehumanizing bystanders?
Trying push political affiliation of shooter to other side?

I'm waiting for some people to get to the "Are we the baddies" realization, but I guess I'm pathetic waiting for it.



I'll spell it again - you can't fight extremism with extremism.

[Vertigo 7]

No, who, you've always been on the wrong side of things. You're just trying to elicit guilt out of us for your own demented reasons. We're not buying it. It's nothing more than typical whataboutism from people like you.

[CBJ]

This is getting way too personal. Back on the topic in hand.

[mr.WHO]

No, who, you've always been on the wrong side of things. You're just trying to elicit guilt out of us for your own demented reasons. We're not buying it. It's nothing more than typical whataboutism from people like you.

Me, me, me, you, you , you - don't make it personal.

Have you watched Biden speech about this?

I'm confident he conveyed all my points in his speech - is he whatabouting?
or is he on wrong side of history as well?

[Vertigo 7]

As if you care about anything Biden has to say. Just stop. You're not going to convince anyone of your faux altruism.

[CBJ]

This is getting way too personal. Back on the topic in hand.

Both of you will get a formal warning if you continue to ignore this.

[Chips]

So according to you, what would not make me pathetic in the crowd here?

Cheering up for the body count?
Wanting more?
Expressing dissapointment from the miss?
Dehumanizing bystanders?
Trying push political affiliation of shooter to other side?

No - it was specifically with regards to "announcing" the well being of the two who were injured; some form of moral grandstanding with an insinuation about everyone else. We don't get our news from here, we don't post every single thought, consolation, etc on here either. Think that's what they do on social media to mark out their morality upon.

The political affiliation - your loaded terminology of "pushing to the other side" speaks volumes (why "other" side?). He's a registered Republican the media said. Factual then; so what's this "push" about? Why does this somehow upset you?

It really does feel that some folks here engage a *lot* on social media, as the same sort of style permeates their posts. This isn't twitter, so personally I'd prefer if people leave that judgement/morality/superiority/agro/anger-at-others there instead of polluting it here.

Trump was shot at, it's terrible, USA's a fruit basket case of divisions, and Trump's continuing on the campaign trail. About the only interesting thing was finding out just how many assassinations and attempted assassinations have occurred over the years. Something pretty wrong over there..

[matthewfarmery]

From the news reports I'm reading, Trump is now trying to change his tune and call for unity, even tore up his speech that he was going to say at the RNC. But this is Trump we are talking about. It won't last long. And it will be back to business as usual, with his hate and revenge speech, He won't keep his flap shut for long. He will never change his ways. and will always be unfit for office. But revenge and hatred will drive him.

[mr.WHO]

The political affiliation - your loaded terminology of "pushing to the other side" speaks volumes (why "other" side?). He's a registered Republican the media said. Factual then; so what's this "push" about? Why does this somehow upset you?

Are you sure you're not pushing your prejudice on me?

I intentionally didn't pick specific side.

Shooter was registered republican, so democrats will ride this like no tommorow
Shooter donated to democrats, so republicans will ride this like no tomorrow

Everyone will start to argue the percentage of D or R in the shooter.

Every single hostile bot farm, AI, deep fake, profesional spin doctors, foreign and domestic will boost it to maximum.

Is this still loaded? or is it factual?

What is the other option? jump into the spiral hate train?
This is the road to nowhere - the only way to win this game is to not play it!

interesting thing was finding out just how many assassinations and attempted assassinations have occurred over the years. Something pretty wrong over there..

If you dig deeper into recent cases of lone wolfs in The West, there is more and more cases where they are both far-left and far-right in their manifesto
Many have history of bouncing from one party afiliation to another - the is no logic here, they just want to see world burn and the cause is only the excuse.

Trump was shot at, it's terrible, USA's a fruit basket case of divisions, and Trump's continuing on the campaign trail.

That is also my approach.

- Trump got shot!
- OMG, is he alright?
- yes, his ear got grazed.
- oh, ok, he got two and don't use them that often. Did someone else got hurt?
- One person got killed and two are gravely wounded.
- Jesus, that's tragedy.

Meanwhile the internet:
Lets launch anti-fascics crusade! Lets launch MAGA uprising, yeeeeeeehaaaaaw!


Yet somehow I'm the bad guy.


I'm constantly telling in last 2 pages that neither Trump or Biden will the the end of the world - you already got preview of both to chill out a bit.

...unless you start to hear The Palpatine speech in next event and I'm serious - keep your ears up and listen - it might not be Trump, but there will be definetly bad actors who will start spewing rudiculous stuff.

[Chips]

From memory of this thread, the only person who started going on about it causing (or if it were successful, causing) a civil war and other such stuff, was yourself.

I point out that the guy was a registered republican. The reason? Imply it's not a Democrat vs Republican is it. Related to your "civil war blah". There is nothing remotely political about anything I've said otherwise.

The rest of what you're saying is irrelevant (to me) - address it to whomever is engaging you on it.

So, moving on...

[mr.WHO]

OK, fine, if me not wanting the civil wars is a bad thing, then I'm guilty as charged.

The all other things are trully irrelevant.

[fiksal]

edit: withdrawn

[esd]

Hearing of this assassination attempt on Trump, got me to thinking about recent statements from Ukraine that they had attempting to kill Putin, but had not succeeded. While I absolutely do not support the attempted assassination of Trump, I would not be opposed to Ukraine taking out Putin. What is the difference?

I think it is even simpler than you suggest. Ukraine and Russia are at war. Taking out the head of the chain of command is a totally valid and reasonable battle tactic.
America and America are not, as yet, at war. Shots fired could change that, which hardly anyone wants.

[Tranxalive]

Let's try to avoid the personal attacks. I see both people's points here, however we need to stay on topic, before this thread gets locked and or people get warnings.

Anyways, regarding Trump's change of tune:

I'm skeptical, but I personally believe that most people can change for the better, perhaps even Trump.

I do have my ears open for the Palpatine speech, and honestly, I'm fine with it so long as he leaves it at "But my resolve has never been stronger!"
We'll see how he really is, or at least how he's acting in about 35 minutes.

If he is genuinely going for unity here, again unlikely, but possibly possible, then I wouldn't mind him continuing his campaign, and possibly becoming president again. Obviously that's assuming he has good plans and good intentions, and just being a good choice for president in general. Once again, again, it seems very unlikely for now.

[fiksal]

In order to change one first have to accept the error of their ways.

Trump haven't done that, thus he has not changed


Regarding my post that can be personal, okay, I will withdraw it. Mr Who can contact me in private for any remaining questions if he has

[Tranxalive]

Well, my point is, is that perhaps Trump can at least change some things about himself for the better. I doubt he'll admit that he's done anything wrong, but again, you never know.

Again, we'll see what he has to say, and, more importantly, what he does.

[matthewfarmery]

Trump will never change, and even if he did, it will not last. Trump has always been about himself. I mean, look at him when he got covid, then later denied again that it existed. Also, there is Trump been shot merchandise on sale. I don't know if Trump is beind that, but it wouldn't surprise me, if he is profiting from the incident.

So no, he will not change. And he just wants power and the ability to corrupt. His policies aren't any different from last time. and he is flip flopping on many subjects. and still hasn't chosen a vice president yet, and time is running out for that.