Trump Presidency

[clakclak]

[…]To be clear. I understand entirely why some people vote for the party and its history, I understand feeling ostracized, attacked and disenfranchised by the 'new left' (I am an 80s/90s leftist, not a mentalist), I don't hate Elon Musk, far from it. […]

So do you mean you are left in the American sense of the word (As in a Neo-Liberal)? Because as someone who is pretty left by German standards, I fail to see how anyone left could consider Musk anything but a class enemy who stands against unions and worker rights, you know, the core principles of the Left. During any labor struggle billionaires like Musk are the enemy of the working class and need to be fought tooth and nail.

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Kennedy is an excellent pick. I too hope he is able to do what he wants to do, and that is hold the world of science to account. Science is not a religion, you dont 'trust science' (it was anathema to me to hear this during covid (and my position was clear on these forums too) from my own family who are less knowledgeable than me about these subjects), science must prove it is worthy of our trust through evidence at all times and thats what Kennedy wants. Kennedys heart is in the right place and he is pragmatic and critical thinking (if you actually listen to him and dont just absorb headlines about him). For the record, Observe, to me it is such a shame that Kennedy was forced to do what he did. What Trump says at 13:43 in the video I linked directly to Kennedy should show to anyone with a brain how different Kennedy is to Trump.

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Kennedy thinks Wifi causes brain leaking and cancer. Source for his claim? None.

Kennedy believes HIV is not caused by the AIDS virus but a result of a Gay Lifestyle. Source for his claim? None

Kennedy claims chemicals in American drinking water lead to people being transgender. Source for his claims? None.


Believing in that guy is much more like believing in religion than anything else. But I get it. Trump, Musk and Kennedy are peoples gods and can do no wrong.

[Chips]

And you seem to be missing my point. They're not open to anything that doesn't come from Faux News or their overlord. They were fed lie upon lie upon lie but they hold it to be fact and truth without question (verifiable lies at that). Even if i bought into their make-believe world, there's nothing that can be done to address their grievances because they aren't real, if they would even listen. It's the great con that is the orange one and the republican party. My god, the man is a convicted felon, and rapist, but you go ask anyone in MAGA world, they'll say it's all a leftist conspiracy against him.

Then I guess the election in 2020 really *was* a stolen illegal election; how else could a Democrat had more votes than a Republican IF the Republican has now won and the supporters don't listen to anything else? It's like a paradox What happened?? No-one could possibly have listened... must just be, what did you call them, "Trumpanzees". I guess that'll "learn them" and cause a change? Or perhaps the majority of those voters (who changed, or abstained) don't fit the exact narrative, but it's far easier to paint with a huge brush than - ah what's the point; waste of time. Who cares.

As it is, I'm not engaging further. Your way of posting is just... bad. Combative without foundation; attacking anyone who doesn't (to you) hold the same viewpoint. You don't have rail people and resort to insulting people (related to other posts since, not the one quoted).

[fiksal]

the disconnect here is that one side says stealing kids is okay, and you supposed to find middle ground with them.
and those issues pile up.

finding that middle ground with nationalists and fascists is a politician job. our job is to insure there are more of us than of them, and talk to the people who didn't take a dive into this hole.


some interesting statistics for you. US popular vote


2024
67,957,895 Harris
72,641,564 Trump

2020
81,283,501 Biden
74,223,975 Trump

Trump did worse than last time and 15 million people decided to sit this one out

[Vertigo 7]

And you seem to be missing my point. They're not open to anything that doesn't come from Faux News or their overlord. They were fed lie upon lie upon lie but they hold it to be fact and truth without question (verifiable lies at that). Even if i bought into their make-believe world, there's nothing that can be done to address their grievances because they aren't real, if they would even listen. It's the great con that is the orange one and the republican party. My god, the man is a convicted felon, and rapist, but you go ask anyone in MAGA world, they'll say it's all a leftist conspiracy against him.

Then I guess the election in 2020 really *was* a stolen illegal election; how else could a Democrat had more votes than a Republican IF the Republican has now won and the supporters don't listen to anything else? It's like a paradox What happened?? No-one could possibly have listened... must just be, what did you call them, "Trumpanzees". I guess that'll "learn them" and cause a change? Or perhaps the majority of those voters (who changed, or abstained) don't fit the exact narrative, but it's far easier to paint with a huge brush than - ah what's the point; waste of time. Who cares.

As it is, I'm not engaging further. Your way of posting is just... bad. Combative without foundation; attacking anyone who doesn't (to you) hold the same viewpoint. You don't have rail people and resort to insulting people (related to other posts since, not the one quoted).

Okay, take your toys and go home lol... heard this before. Like you're the angel of the forums here

And yeah, I'll call em Trumpanzies. They wanna act like animals, i'm gonna treat em as such. You didn't see people voting for Harris throwing punches at poll workers. You don't see democrats and liberals calling in bomb threats or making death threats or shooting up Walmarts and night clubs or trying to kidnap and murder members of congress. I don't care if that "learns them" or not. I simply refuse to treat them like they're somehow a normal human being. And here's another prospective for you, even if they're not involved in any of the above, they're on the same side as the KKK, Neo-Nazis, and other white nationalist groups. That never gave them pause to consider maybe the things they want aren't good after all when it's the same as those degenerate lowlifes. So, if they're as intelligent as you want to make them out to be, they're willfully involved in furthering white nationalist goals. Or they're ignorantly living in their own fantasy world and just following orders from the TV.

[fiksal]

I think Trump supporters voted exactly knowing who is what.

there are not confused or brainwashed

[Vertigo 7]

If that's true, they're just f'n evil animals and is extremely sad for the state of this country. The "Again" part of the MAGA phrase has always been a call back to the 1960's and earlier, before the civil rights movement. Can anyone explain to me why we need to go back to Jim Crowe or worse (without getting racist)?

[fiksal]

If that's true, they're just f'n evil animals and is extremely sad for the state of this country. The "Again" part of the MAGA phrase has always been a call back to the 1960's and earlier, before the civil rights movement. Can anyone explain to me why we need to go back to Jim Crowe or worse (without getting racist)?

I think about this topic often in context of Russia. Evil can be indifferent and banal. It's only enough for people to have no empathy and white nationalism, fascism, trumpism, are all pretty easy and simple concepts to hand wave. The more I think about these, the more I read what they write, the more obvious it seems how easy those for people to grasp. Community and tolerance are much harder to build your morals around.

And these same people can and would show real empathy, but only to their own group, own subset of family or those they deem "same".

So those MAGA do want something like 1960s white washed picture, maybe even simply because they dont care about anyone else.

[Falcrack]

And these same people can and would show real empathy, but only to their own group, own subset of family or those they deem "same".

So those MAGA do want something like 1960s white washed picture, maybe even simply because they dont care about anyone else.

The biggest problem in the world today is how people have stopped caring about anyone besides themselves, or their immediate family. Civilization is only possible if we can look beyond ourselves and our own narrow self-interests, and consider the needs of others at the same level as yourself.

Do I know anybody in Ukraine? No not really. But I care about them and their fight, just as I would care about people in any nation on earth facing similar circumstances.

If we cannot show empathy and concern for those outside of our own circle or even nation, then why should we expect the same in return when we eventually find ourselves in trouble?

[clakclak]

I guess America might at least avoid having to deal with RFK any longer. It seems as if even Trump finds him to be to crazy.

Trump Campaign quitely disrances itself fron RFK.

[Vertigo 7]

I'm not holding my breath. You can be assured if it's good for us, Don the Con will do the opposite.

[Vertigo 7]

I don't know if this is going anywhere or not but I keep hearing that 14 million people just up and deciding not to vote was pretty unlikely. Nothing I've seen has been verified this but there have been several individuals that have come forward that said their SoS's website indicated their vote was received but not counted.

NGL, I want to believe republicans cheated and withheld millions of votes, that certainly would be in character for them, especially knowing the operatives the Orange one had in place in key positions to manipulate this election. Regardless, I do sincerely hope this is being investigated.

[chew-ie]

I don't know if this is going anywhere or not but I keep hearing that 14 million people just up and deciding not to vote was pretty unlikely. Nothing I've seen has been verified this but there have been several individuals that have come forward that said their SoS's website indicated their vote was received but not counted.

NGL, I want to believe republicans cheated and withheld millions of votes, that certainly would be in character for them, especially knowing the operatives the Orange one had in place in key positions to manipulate this election. Regardless, I do sincerely hope this is being investigated.

Comparing the figures from 2020 (CNN) with 2024 (NYT) does indeed show a difference of about 10 million votes. Trump only got a few 100k more in 2020. It's like a lot of people were like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

edit Fiksal already wrote about those figures a few posts earlier: viewtopic.php?p=5253457#p5253457

[felter]

None of it makes any sense to me, none of it adds up, so much so I've been thinking something nefarious has happened. Remember a few months back Trump did say he didn't need anyone's vote to win the election.

Trumps election is causing a headache for the UK Government they just don't know what to do about him. They have raise defence spending as they predict his actions intentionally or not will probably cause a major war, I know our previous government were looking at bringing back conscription and I wouldn't be surprise if the current one ends up doing this also.

The UK is normally one of the first countries to make an official invite to a new incoming President to visit the UK the problem is legally Trump is not allowed to enter the UK as he is a convicted felon with also a rape conviction, though while that one is civil it still has to be taken into account and with 49 sexual assault allegations against him, he has to be considered a prolific sexual predator and these types of people are normally never allowed to enter the UK. While it is possible to get an exception to enter, normally I think it's only after 10 years of the conviction, though that might be some place else I'm thinking on. Anyway I'll bet that if the Government does invite him there will be a legal challenge against that decision, which is a major headache for any Government.

There is also one other major thing, Trump is classed as a high risk security person, where it is known that he cannot be trusted with confidential or secret information, he is regarded as a person that will either sell or give away said information to a third party that are not entitled to see that information or know about that information. They don't know what to do about this, I suspect the UK and other governments around the world will only supply America with the bare minimum information mainly just need to know things, like if a terrorist group was about to attack America I suspect everything else will be held back out of fear of it being leaked either during or after his Presidency. This alone is something that should never be happening, but Trump and America cannot be trusted while he is in power, so it has to be considered.

[Vertigo 7]

What pisses me off more than anything is that this administration has sat on its ass dealing with this traitor. Garlend should have put the screws to him on day f'n 1, not 2 years later and slow walked his ass through prosecutions. So even IF the trumpanzies managed to generate the collective brain wattage necessary to steal this election, i have next to no faith that the DOJ will do a damn thing about it, certainly not before it's too late.

[Vertigo 7]

So now questions are bubbling up about the ballot machines that were networked via starlink, of all f'n things. I mean I'm blown away that they were networked at all, especially to a 3rd party resource outside of the building - that's just asking to be hacked. On that note, apparently ol' Elon was able to tabulate the results before they were even reported to the SOS. It's reported he knew, not guessed or assumed, the resutls some 4 hours before anything was called and the suspicion is he got voting data from starlink. This is really starting to smell f'n rotten.

[matthewfarmery]

So now questions are bubbling up about the ballot machines that were networked via starlink, of all f'n things. I mean I'm blown away that they were networked at all, especially to a 3rd party resource outside of the building - that's just asking to be hacked. On that note, apparently ol' Elon was able to tabulate the results before they were even reported to the SOS. It's reported he knew, not guessed or assumed, the resutls some 4 hours before anything was called and the suspicion is he got voting data from starlink. This is really starting to smell f'n rotten.

In that case, the voting was probably rigged no end, Also I expect the RNC to have a hand in this. After all, the RNC did say that they would have their people near voting stations and the like, (can't remember now, what their purpose was going to be, but probably fear mongering and making sure votes were cast in the right direction) While some states said not in their state. But makes you wonder how many RNC influence / Musk and his buying of votes (illegal) had anything to do with this?

I think there is something clearly rotting here. And Musk and the RNC and house republicans are behind it.

Musk's involvement should be deeply questioned at the highest level. For someone who had no interest in a admin job, and only interest was partial at best, then full on, We take care of the third party duties etc, plus buying votes. I think the election was rigged to the hilt.

@Vertigo 7
Another BIG concern is Trump's cabinet picks, I'm just reading an article now about some of them, and they are enough to make your skin crawl.

Stefanik to represent the US on the world stage.
Not a cabinet level but, Brian Hook will be there somewhere.
Lee Zeldin for Environmental Protection Agency administrator
Tom Homan for "border czar"
Susie Wiles for White House chief of staff
Stephen Miller for deputy chief of staff for policy


Those are the ones I know about, and from that list, its enough to make you shudder. Trump will destroy many aspects of the US, and will probably turn it into another Germany with a dictator at the top. I don't think many Americans have an inkling on what Trump is going to do, and how he and his cronies will set things to a downward spiral for them and the rest of the world. And all of us (everyone on the planet) will feel his icy grip for a long time. Or until things reach boiling point.

[Panos]

If that's true, they're just f'n evil animals and is extremely sad for the state of this country. The "Again" part of the MAGA phrase has always been a call back to the 1960's and earlier, before the civil rights movement. Can anyone explain to me why we need to go back to Jim Crowe or worse (without getting racist)?

Did USA went back to Jim Crowe between 2017-2020? NO.
USA DID went back to Jim Crowe in 2021-22 with people lost their HUMAN RIGHTS under the Dems.

Joe Biden speech on September 9, 2021 was the most authoritarian, totalitarian and outright EVIL speech Americans heard from their government EVER in their 300 years history. A speech used as a wedge to split the country and pave the way for persecution to those who don't obey. Hundreds of thousands lost their jobs, their homes, their livelihoods.

All of you screaming about civil rights, my body my choice, ran to take the vaccine the moment Biden said "You either get the vax or you lose your job". Where were your rights back then?
Only China and at some extent Greece came close to such evil mandate.

Anyone supporting the Dems after the above, are the very evil they cry wolf about.

FYI. Roe v Wade was abolished in June 2022, under Biden.

[Vertigo 7]

oookay, thanks for your input. viewtopic.php?p=5109771#p5109771

[matthewfarmery]

If that's true, they're just f'n evil animals and is extremely sad for the state of this country. The "Again" part of the MAGA phrase has always been a call back to the 1960's and earlier, before the civil rights movement. Can anyone explain to me why we need to go back to Jim Crowe or worse (without getting racist)?

Did USA went back to Jim Crowe between 2017-2020? NO.
USA DID went back to Jim Crowe in 2021-22 with people lost their HUMAN RIGHTS under the Dems.

Joe Biden speech on September 9, 2021 was the most authoritarian, totalitarian and outright EVIL speech Americans heard from their government EVER in their 300 years history. A speech used as a wedge to split the country and pave the way for persecution to those who don't obey. Hundreds of thousands lost their jobs, their homes, their livelihoods.

All of you screaming about civil rights, my body my choice, ran to take the vaccine the moment Biden said "You either get the vax or you lose your job". Where were your rights back then?
Only China and at some extent Greece came close to such evil mandate.

Anyone supporting the Dems after the above, are the very evil they cry wolf about.

FYI. Roe v Wade was abolished in June 2022, under Biden.

My small take on this, you better get your facts straight.

Covid 19 happened under Trump, he had no interest in protecting the US from this killer. Go and check up on how many people died under this virus. Biden did the best that he could do. Plenty of people didn't even bother getting vaxed, because of what Trump was saying to them. Blame Trump not Biden there.

As for the overturning of Roe v Wade, you should consider this, Trump paved the way for its overturning, plus he has bragged many times about it. He helped install the supreme court judges that did the damage. Not Biden.

And the supreme court is also responsible for allowing Trump to precced with getting back into the WH. But one could blame Garland for that, and Biden IS responsible there. However this is a bit off topic. But the issue is, your looking at the wrong person to pin the blame on. While this cold fasist dicator will once again resume power and won't let go. America is in serious trouble, and they / most don't even realise that.

[Vertigo 7]

Not worth the effort, my guy. see the thread i linked.