Trump Presidency

[fiksal]

I didn't used to be, but

Russia is making me a believer into arming ones military,

And Trump supporters are making me a believer in Second Amendment vs them

[Observe]

Trump taps billionaire and private astronaut Jared Isaacman to lead Nasa
Given Isaacman's association with SpaceX, do you think this will herald the end of the hugely expensive Space Launch System (SLS)?

[Vertigo 7]

Lewis Dejoy shifted business away from the post office to benefit the delivery companies he owns. I would expect nothing less than further self-interests to be served by anyone appointed by the orange one.

Yep, no corruption to be seen here. move along.

[fiksal]

Trump taps billionaire and private astronaut Jared Isaacman to lead Nasa
Given Isaacman's association with SpaceX, do you think this will herald the end of the hugely expensive Space Launch System (SLS)?

we'll switch to launching cars into space

[matthewfarmery]

Dictator Trump vows end to birthright citizenship, even though that is protected by the 14th amendment. So yeah, he has zero intention of upholding and protecting the constitution as soon as he is sworn into office. You would have though this would be enough to get him removed from becoming president? afterall, they all swear an oath of office. If Trump is vowing to change the constitution, what good is it?

And what more of it will Trump rip before his first term is up?

[chew-ie]

Trump taps billionaire and private astronaut Jared Isaacman to lead Nasa
Given Isaacman's association with SpaceX, do you think this will herald the end of the hugely expensive Space Launch System (SLS)?

we'll switch to launching cars into space

Hopefully a certain car manufacturer does the testflight in person.

[Vertigo 7]

Dictator Trump vows end to birthright citizenship, even though that is protected by the 14th amendment. So yeah, he has zero intention of upholding and protecting the constitution as soon as he is sworn into office. You would have though this would be enough to get him removed from becoming president? afterall, they all swear an oath of office. If Trump is vowing to change the constitution, what good is it?

And what more of it will Trump rip before his first term is up?

So here's the thing.

If he throws out the constitution, then all laws are invalid. If that's the case then there is no recognized authority and well, bring on the civil war.

OTOH, if there's enough adults in the room that will stand up to him then he will never have the required support to amend the constitution, especially to do something as extreme as that. Any constitutional amendments require a supermajority vote in both the house and senate as well as the states themselves and he's gonna come up way short on each of those.

[matthewfarmery]

If I'm not mistaken, the house is on a razor edge majority to the GOP, if they lose that, then the dems will retake the house. But still, Trump could try and use executive powers? But if that is the case, wouldn't that make the constitution invalid as well? As he will be messing with with a core amendment. But knowing Trump, I bet he will try and push this as far as he can, this and any other dictatorship changes he sees fit.

[Vertigo 7]

Well he has no legal mechanism to do anything that alters or disregards the constitution. But if he decides that he doesn't have to obey its mandates then we get to go hunting.

[matthewfarmery]

On the other hand, could this be challenged in court? if yes, it could go right up to the supreme court, and we all know they have Trump's back, especailly if Cannon becomes a new supreme. Again, I wouldn't put it past him to try this option, and with the supreme's giving him powers, he could very well use them. And be protected from official acts charges. Still, I can see Trump trying his best to burn down the constitution. And become a god.

[Vertigo 7]

while clarence thomas or alito would be dumb enough to try it, none of the rest of the SCOTUS judges would play that. The text of the 14th amendment doesn't give room for interpretation.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

I mean there's no 2 ways to view that. you're born here, you're a citzen. That's it.

Not only that, SCOTUS doesn't have the authority to amend the constitution, that's outlined in Article V.

[matthewfarmery]

Didn't know that, thanks for that. Still, I wonder how Trump will try and do it then? as he seems hell bent on trying, that is for sure.

[Chips]

Dictator Trump vows end to birthright citizenship, even though that is protected by the 14th amendment. So yeah, he has zero intention of upholding and protecting the constitution as soon as he is sworn into office. You would have though this would be enough to get him removed from becoming president? afterall, they all swear an oath of office. If Trump is vowing to change the constitution, what good is it?

And what more of it will Trump rip before his first term is up?

You could always just wait and see rather than hypothesising about potential nothingness. After all, he said he'd "lock her up" the first time around and did... absolutely nothing.
The man speaks a lot. Doesn't mean *everything* he says translates into actions, and it'd be exhausting to "what if" every scenario of every combination.

In this instance, until something happens...

[matthewfarmery]

Dictator Trump vows end to birthright citizenship, even though that is protected by the 14th amendment. So yeah, he has zero intention of upholding and protecting the constitution as soon as he is sworn into office. You would have though this would be enough to get him removed from becoming president? afterall, they all swear an oath of office. If Trump is vowing to change the constitution, what good is it?

And what more of it will Trump rip before his first term is up?

You could always just wait and see rather than hypothesising about potential nothingness. After all, he said he'd "lock her up" the first time around and did... absolutely nothing.
The man speaks a lot. Doesn't mean *everything* he says translates into actions, and it'd be exhausting to "what if" every scenario of every combination.

In this instance, until something happens...

As much as I want to believe that, the trouble is, Trump is a wannabe dictator, he wants revenge, and then there is also project 2025 which parts of that is going to happen. Trump had no interest in the constitution the first time around, the second time around, you can be sure, he will not do what that piece of paper tells him to do. Lets not forget he putting in fools in his cabinet, including Musk.

Trump is also going after the J6 commission, saying that they should be be in prison. His GOP allies and enablers will watch and see him burn everything to the ground.

His second term will be far more vile then the first.

[Observe]

Trump is a wannabe dictator, he wants revenge, and then there is also project 2025 which parts of that is going to happen. Trump had no interest in the constitution the first time around, the second time around, you can be sure, he will not do what that piece of paper tells him to do. Lets not forget he putting in fools in his cabinet, including Musk.

His second term will be far more vile then the first.

Don't worry. There is a wide chasm between what Trump say's he wants and what he can actually do. He has appointed some excellent individuals into his cabinet. Already, there are all kinds of articles appearing on the news about the poor diet in the US. This is a direct result of RFK Jr. Burnie Sanders and other liberals are joining the chorus.

This doesn't have to be a case of everything and everyone associated with Trump or any of his cabinet are vile people heralding the end of democracy and apple pie.

Musk and Vivek are also receiving accolades from both sides. Most people recognize that the national debt and government waste and inefficiency are long overdue for review and pruning.

Four years from now, everyone will have another opportunity to set the course differently. Democrats, if they a smart, will examine their mistakes and make corrections that are more palatable to the public.

[matthewfarmery]

Sorry, but I call that total BS, Musk has no business being in the cabinet, and Trump's picks are getting a lt of flack, and some have resigned. Trump is picking people who aren't qualified for the job, but just doing so that they will give Trump loyalty. Remember the revolving door of his first cabinet? well, Trump doesn't want a repet. Also his transition team isn't even ready yet.

Sorry, but these picks are less then ideal.

[Observe]

Sorry, but I call that total BS, Musk has no business being in the cabinet

Musk isn't part of the new the cabinet. The Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) is an outside advisory group that will work with Trump and the Congress.

Trump's picks are getting a lot of flack

Normal partisan bickering.

Trump is picking people who aren't qualified for the job...Sorry, but these picks are less than ideal.

Actually, they are as qualified as any other administration choices. Whether they are 'ideal' is a matter of opinion and partisan preference.

[Vertigo 7]

Well sure, if the only skill they need is the ability to kiss the orange one's cinnamon ring, then I'm sure they're qualified for that. Things that would be a boon to the positions like a law degree, medical degree, having actually done senior level work in the field they're going to be put in charge of... none of that matters, right? Lets just stack it with sycophants and conspiracy theorists, what can go wrong?

Or maybe its the roster of sexual predators that makes them qualified? "Only the best people", amirite?

[Observe]

Things that would be a boon to the positions like a law degree, medical degree, having actually done senior level work in the field they're going to be put in charge of... none of that matters, right?

It is not uncommon for the head of a department to not possess a degree in the field for which they are head of.

For instance, the current (Biden's) and immediate past heads of HHS (for which RFK Jr. has been selected), have not had medical training. The focus is on policy, regulation, and administration rather than direct medical practice. Same goes for other agencies.

Again, in the case of HHS, Kennedy is perfectly capable of reading the data compiled by medical experts and spotting areas of corruption and other concerns. After all, in the past he has filed several lawsuits against some of the very agencies that he will lead.

[Vertigo 7]

So? If Biden's HHS pick jumped off a bridge, should RFK also? I'd be okay with that but just because one person didn't put someone with a medical background in the position, that doesn't mean the orange one should do it too. Your Furer also filed what was it, 90 something lawsuits related to the 2020 election and lost all but 1. I fail to see how suing someone makes them an expert in the field.