Russia-Ukraine War

[Observe]

Unfortunately because of mutual suspicion of intentions (and to meet differing internal needs), I think you could freely interchange US/Trump and Ukraine/Zelenskyy in those sentence and still mostly be correct - in my personal opinion.

I agree.

[Warenwolf]

What to time to live in.

The UN General Assembly has passed a resolution condemning Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, co-sponsored by Kyiv and EU. USA of voted against it and urged other nations to oppose it to.

USA sided with likes of Russia, Belarus, North Korea, Sudan and other nations, all known for democracy and free press. Shame Iran abstained, otherwise it would have been total comedy.

[Observe]

The UN General Assembly has passed a resolution condemning Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, co-sponsored by Kyiv and EU. USA of voted against it and urged other nations to oppose it to.

The US voted against the resolution because Trump seeks a different solution than endlessly admonishing Russia. The US is prioritizing a swift end to the conflict, followed by normalization of relations with Russia, which is the only way to have long lasting peace, for the benefit of Europe and everyone else. It is time for Europe to swallow their hatred of Russia and board the peace train.

[clakclak]

The UN General Assembly has passed a resolution condemning Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, co-sponsored by Kyiv and EU. USA of voted against it and urged other nations to oppose it to.

The US voted against the resolution because Trump seeks a different solution than endlessly admonishing Russia. The US is prioritizing a swift end to the conflict, followed by normalization of relations with Russia, which is the only way to have long lasting peace, for the benefit of Europe and everyone else. It is time for Europe to swallow their hatred of Russia and board the peace train.

Russia can have peace. All it has to do is to remove its soldiers from Ukranian soil.

[fiksal]

. It is time for Europe to swallow their hatred of Russia and board the peace train.

some 100s of pages ago I several times wrote what Putin stated goals are. Kremlin repeated plans for Ukraine. And Kremlin's advisors repeated plans for Europe.

I take it you believed non of what I wrote, what I read myself from the source?

[Observe]

some 100s of pages ago I several times wrote what Putin stated goals are. Kremlin repeated plans for Ukraine. And Kremlin's advisors repeated plans for Europe.

I take it you believed non of what I wrote, what I read myself from the source?

I am not contesting your feelings or what you believe to be true. You are not without justification. The challenge is how to break the cycle of animosity and violence that has plagued Europe for much of its history. Given human nature, perhaps this is impossible. Nevertheless, the problem at hand, is how to stop the bloodshed in Ukraine.

I have noticed the word "peace" being used a lot more since Trump than with Biden. That is a good thing.

[jlehtone]

It is time for Europe to swallow their hatred of Russia and board the peace train.

It is time for Russia to swallow their fear of everything and leave from Ukraine.

[Chips]

The US voted against the resolution because Trump seeks a different solution than endlessly admonishing Russia. The US is prioritizing a swift end to the conflict, followed by normalization of relations with Russia, which is the only way to have long lasting peace, for the benefit of Europe and everyone else. It is time for Europe to swallow their hatred of Russia and board the peace train.

The US and EU had "normalised" relations with Russia for 18 years prior to 2014, which was the only way to have a long last peace!

Hang on... what happened then?

It is time for Europe to swallow their hatred of Russia and board the peace train.

Here's Senator McCain literally predicting what's going on right now... 10 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLAzeHnNgR8

*literally*

Take note of his comment "nothing provokes Putin more than weakness..." - and in rolls Trump's "peace" style

[fiksal]

I have noticed the word "peace" being used a lot more since Trump than with Biden. That is a good thing.

What I meant were not my feelings though. And I do talk about them too sometimes.

Facts as in direct from the horse's mouth. Not knee jerk reactions but a strategy put together for the last 10-15 years. Dating that far back about some of the statements and actions.

That's why I ask, do you think I distort what Kremlin said for this whole time, as their strategy?

[Observe]

That's why I ask, do you think I distort what Kremlin said for this whole time, as their strategy?

No, I don't think you distort. I look at you as a resident expert in this area. The big question is, can the Kremlin be persuaded to change their strategy. Part of that question, is whether now is the time for a carrot or a stick, or both? Humans can be creative.

[clakclak]

European Union offers Ukraine it's own mineral deal. Sadly it is unclear what is in the deal. I am curious if this will just fizzel away or if we will learn more about this in the future.

On a different note, Europe might want to consider buying American arms in the future. According to French and German news sources, America has the ability to ground European F-35 jets, meaning that any use of the jet, even if owned by a European country, requires permission by the United States. In that case I'd say better stick with Eurofighters and Rafales for now. Sure they can't do what the F-35 can do, but at least they are under our control.

[jlehtone]

On a different note, Europe might want to consider buying American arms in the future. According to French and German news sources, America has the ability to ground European F-35 jets, meaning that any use of the jet, even if owned by a European country, requires permission by the United States. In that case I'd say better stick with Eurofighters and Rafales for now. Sure they can't do what the F-35 can do, but at least they are under our control.

Is that clearly different from the early stages of the war, when Germany and Switzerland dictated whether the gear that they had sold to EU countries could be handed to third party (Ukraine)? Nevertheless, physical lock or EULA, that is a point to consider.

[clakclak]

On a different note, Europe might want to consider buying American arms in the future. According to French and German news sources, America has the ability to ground European F-35 jets, meaning that any use of the jet, even if owned by a European country, requires permission by the United States. In that case I'd say better stick with Eurofighters and Rafales for now. Sure they can't do what the F-35 can do, but at least they are under our control.

Is that clearly different from the early stages of the war, when Germany and Switzerland dictated whether the gear that they had sold to EU countries could be handed to third party (Ukraine)? Nevertheless, physical lock or EULA, that is a point to consider.

Yes, because this is euqipment that was allready bought. We are not talking here about handing the F-35 off to a third party like Ukraine. We are talking about French and German planes being possibly not useable if France or Germany are attacked because America pulls the plug.

The difference is:

Case 1:

Germany sells something to Poland.

Poland wants to sell it to Ukraine, but something in the contract does give Germany a veto right.

In this case Poland could have broken the contract. The weopons would still have worked.Germany did not have the ability to stop them from working (at least we never heard about that).

Case 2:

America sells Germany and France a plane.

America prevents Germany and France from using the plane they bought.

Germany and France apperently have a hard lock out (not simply a contract) that can make the planes unusuable if America deams it so.

[EGO_Aut]

I remember back in the days, when Austria bought Eurofighters, and could not be use them, because of a US Software Lizenz problem

[fiksal]

That's why I ask, do you think I distort what Kremlin said for this whole time, as their strategy?

No, I don't think you distort. I look at you as a resident expert in this area. The big question is, can the Kremlin be persuaded to change their strategy. Part of that question, is whether now is the time for a carrot or a stick, or both? Humans can be creative.

It's possible but for that you need to remove Putin and people loyal to him that he put in place over last few years especially

then some actually denazification type work is needed in Russia

without those the negotiations are about how much room can Kremlin get without sacrificing anything in order to gear up for the next move

what I replied first to, is that you put an accent on "hatred of Russia" and there's not one, where we can say the country is hated for its name only

[mr.WHO]

According to French and German news sources, America has the ability to ground European F-35 jets, meaning that any use of the jet, even if owned by a European country, requires permission by the United States.

Sorry, but this is total BS - if such vulnerability would be discovered, it would be the total death of US military export - not even US is that stupid to take such risk.

If anything, we would expect something like this primarily from Russia or China - yet we don't see Ukrainian planes hacked/grounded en masses (some of donated Migs-29 were still serviced by Russian industry in 90s and early 2000s).

[burger1]

~3 year anniversary

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukrain ... -1.7466438

[mr.WHO]

Perfect mayhem - you dammage the tank, the trailer truck and the only tree in the area
https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status/18 ... 1429549373

[fiksal]

~3 year anniversary

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukrain ... -1.7466438

It's good that Trudeau is repeating all options on the table. As impatient as I am I would like to know "when" they are on the table.

Zelensky is wondering about how to handle Trump, at least right questions are asked, and hopefully some answers were given in private

[clakclak]

According to French and German news sources, America has the ability to ground European F-35 jets, meaning that any use of the jet, even if owned by a European country, requires permission by the United States.

Sorry, but this is total BS - if such vulnerability would be discovered, it would be the total death of US military export - not even US is that stupid to take such risk.

If anything, we would expect something like this primarily from Russia or China - yet we don't see Ukrainian planes hacked/grounded en masses (some of donated Migs-29 were still serviced by Russian industry in 90s and early 2000s).

You are right. The entire thing is based on statements by Cristophe Gomart a current member of the EU parliament. Gomart was formerly the commander in the Commandement des Opérations Spéciales and the director of military intelligence for France's Direction du renseignement militaire (the French military intelligence service). In some of the previous reporting his comments were mixed with comments of other 'experts' in an unclear manner. Gomart just said that America holds control over it's exported weopons, but he did not specify in what way, but I assume he means in a contractual way, as he cites Egypt buying French jets after America had forbidden it from using its F-16 jets to fly attack on Lybia in 2014. The other unnamed 'experts' said that the Operational Data Integrated Network (ODIN) in the F-35 was reliant on regular American software updates to keep working at peak performace. Then some way along the translation and rereporting this turned into America allegedly being able to just ground planes.