Israel War

[mr.WHO]

If you think Gaza is bad you can look at Sudan.

Except Sudan is free for all civil war clusterf*ck.

Here we have consiously planned and executed genocide.
You already have major Israeli politicans, openly saying they gonna do the same to West Bank, see map I posted a few posts/pages ago:
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/29/midd ... nsion-intl

They already intensify building illegal settlements and Israeli settlers commandos actively persecute Palestinians.
They start spewing nonsence like creating Greater Israel that consist territories of several Israel neighbours (including those that Israel made stable peace, like Jordan and Egypt).

Not to mention it's very easy bet that Netanyahu if not set up, then enabled whole Hamas attack...Gleiwitz incident style.
He had major corruption scandals back then that would put him in jail, but now poof, two years - as long as this war last, he can do what he wants.


It's ironic, that couple years ago we argued on this forum about seeing nazi everywhere, but now crickets.

Guess I'll say it now:
If it looks like a nazi, talks like a nazi and acts like a nazi...

[chew-ie]

To me, "Nazi" is just another word for a major human flaw: getting lost in self-exaltation and fear, resulting in barbaric behaviour. If it wouldn't be so sad one could laugh at giving in to that primitive urge - wielding that imaginary friend "<insert god entity of choice> is on my side" no less.

[Alan Phipps]

I think that what makes so many external observers even more uncomfortable was that to them Israel had appeared to be the beset and threatened party surrounded by menacing bellicose neighbours. Now that the current Israeli government (note that I said government and not people) can be seen to be equally ruthless when now holding the upper hand and controlling events unfolding around them, those previously held 'familiar and comfortable' impressions of Israel as the eternal victim to be fully supported in all situations have been rather discredited.

[clakclak]

The conflict is pretty visible in my city. The local Synagogue is under constant police protection (although to be fair that is nothing new) and you can see a lot signs, graffiti demonstrations and the like daily. Violence has, so far, kept at a manageable level. The conflict is, to me personally , most visible within the left wing groups, because those are the ones I have closest access to. The schism between Anti—Imperialists (pro Palestine) and Anti-Germans (Pro-Israel) is widening, but many of the non hardcore Anti-Germans are beginning to question their blind support for Israel. Even Anti-German newspapers like Jungle World are slowly pivoting to criticism of Israeli government figures, even though they remain staunchly Zionist (which is not surprising).

The Pro-Palestine demonstrations attract a uniquely wild mix pf crowds in Germany. From your every day person shocked by the humanitarian situation, to hardcore Anti-Imperialist groups, Muslim groups protesting out of solidarity (with these you have the full spectrum of muslim life in Germany, from progressives to straight up Hamas supporting Islamists), Querdenken (Anti-Vaccine) Groups who believe in a global jewish cabal that is responsible for Corona and so on and on. From what I can tell there have been numerous times where these groups clashed, for example I know of one situation where members of Querdenken wanted to join a demonstration organized by a local Antifa Group, which ended in a shouting match and would have, without a doubt, escalated quickly had police not intervened.

Then there is the police, who themselves have been accused of police brutality and partisanship by every side at this point, no matter if Pro-Israel or Palestine and there are certainly cases where the accusations are warranted. It is a cluster**** of epic proportions and will only get worse, but it also has its small funny moments. For example there is a wall near where I live where the graffiti changes twice a week between an Anti-Imperialist and a Anti-German group. If I remember to do it, I’ll take some pictures.

This is mostly focused on the German left. There is also a big conflict in the center of the political spectrum as well as within the far right, but it is harder for me to make out the conflict lines there, as I have no access to the right wing.

[mr.WHO]

I just found out that "Double-tap" and hospitals can be used in one sentence - I might be wrong, but even Russia haven't done this.

We are exploring new levels of low.

[clakclak]

I just found out that "Double-tap" and hospitals can be used in one sentence - I might be wrong, but even Russia haven't done this.

We are exploring new levels of low.

I did see the video, I think I could have gone without it. I don’t know of any way to commit a more visible and obvious war crime. There are cases that a debatable or ambiguous, this was not.

[Observe]

There used to be (still is in some parts) a saying in the US, that the only good Indian is a dead Indian. It is clear that Israel feels the same about the Palestinians and visa versa.

[notaterran]

Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that Israel learned the wrong lessons from the Nazis, and I agree. The Israelis are now the ones committing crimes against humanity. Professional victims are twisting criticism of Israel's atrocities as anti-Semitism:

[...] after Sanders denounced “the Netanyahu government’s extermination of Gaza,” the pro-Israel group AIPAC attacked Sanders’s statement as a “hate-filled rant” and “despicable blood libel.”

Link

It takes considerable effort to not see what the Israelis are doing, they are now the ones who are engaged in ethnic cleansing. Those who support Israel's actions should think about what they're actually supporting.

[clakclak]

The IDF now says the double strike against the hospital that killed 20 people was to target a quote “Hamas Camera”. By now they are simply taking the piss.

Source: https://apnews.com/article/israel-pales ... e837cc6af9