EGO_Aut wrote: ↑Mon, 21. Feb 22, 14:36
So USA/NATO is like Nazi Hitler.
Because they broke away Kosovo from Serbia, thats very logical.
And in your opinion discriminating minoritys is total ok that they do not have the right to get a rent. - Because this is what UKR has done after Maidan protests, before Putin got involved.
You'd need to provide something about said discrimination. Just throwing claims out unless it's the literal current news topic (i.e. trivial to find) is moderately pointless if it's actually valid.
E.g.
In late 1998, Milosevic unleashed a brutal police and military campaign against the KLA, which included widespread atrocities against civilians. Milosevic’s failure to agree to the Rambouillet Accords triggered a NATO military campaign to halt the violence in Kosovo.
https://history.state.gov/countries/kosovo
I don't think anyone would say things were handled correct/proper/well in that instance; for example, were the Rambouillet accords serious or just a means of trying to force a particular outcome. I think most people would say mistakes were made or that it was poorly conceived and forced through. Sadly some politicians seem to want to be seen to do the right thing so prematurely jump onto something poorly conceived as the only solution -- or more likely, make an impact that ensures their "legacy".
The difference is we're looking at the past - the benefit of hindsight. Personally I was too young at the time to understand much of what was going on, so my opinion is formed on the benefit of hindsight. Having said that...
Exploiting the benefit of hindsight to present whataboutery as an
excuse towards actions in the present is seriously bad form.
However, it all depends upon your point of view doesn't it. If you hold the opinion Russia should be allowed to save the day by ripping chunks out of another country because "well, they're his people..." (tenuous at best), then you're probably going to try and support that opinion. Whataboutery may seem convenient, though very wrong.
But I'm assuming you're in this thread simply because you believe Russia are ONLY doing exercises and have no comment whatsoever upon Ukraine, and were just sick of hearing Western media saying Russia are on a war footing to invade.
Or is there more to it? What relevance does history have, or are you expressing the opinion of what should be happening in the Ukraine. Actually, what do you think should happen? What's your thought on this and why?
As for Maidan,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan -- I thought Putin had no involvement in the fallout of all that? What, pray, did he do?
The real reason I'm here is:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60468264
Ukraine crisis: Five reasons why Putin might not invade
Oh look! It's not US mouthpiece saying it's happening... alternatives.
Having just seen Putin's latest output, this isn't about NATO is it. NATO is the thin excuse/justification... its about one man's nationalism to "correct the wrongs of the past"; he doesn't even view Ukraine as a legitimate country.
Yikes.