Trump Presidency

[Alan Phipps]

Right, that's quite enough of the personal bickering. Once more such personal post from anyone and the thread will be locked, as will any other thread that goes or continues down that route. Discuss the situations and opinions posted and not the posters.

[matthewfarmery]

Mexicio is saying that if Trump goes ahead with his tariff threat, it will cost a lot of US jobs, and Canada is thinking of ways to deal with the threat as well.

Every country has tariffs including Mexico and Canada according to their interests. The consequences are a balancing act.

The worst part of Trumps position is using tariffs to impose punishment. Trump says we have to punish Mexico for the influx of drugs that are killing American citizens. Mexico made an excellent counterpoint, by noting that the influx of American guns is killing Mexican citizens. Better to resolve these things by means other than tariffs. Illegal immigration is another problem where tariffs are not the answer.

As I have tried to explain, Trump has no idea what he is doing, he is again, just picking fights. He trying to hurt things, and like I said before, his tariffs if they go ahead, will do more harm then good. doesn't mater if other countries use tarrifs, sure, they can impose sanctions. But this isn't what Trump is doing, he just playing for his base, trying to say, he will impose tariffs on Mexico because of the border. and china in revenge of what previously happened. But then again, Trump has zero idea what these tariffs will mean for the rest of us. There is a difference in what he is using them for then other countries use them for. Especailly if he raises them without a care in a the world.

But yes, he is a moron, only those in his cabinet will truely profit from his madness, like Musk. And Musk wasn't on the ballot box, it was Trump / Vance. and where is Vance now? probably being push to one side to make way for Musk. Musk will very likely take full advantage of the power given to him. I fear what that might be? And who he will hurt in the process.

[matthewfarmery]

I think the real problem with these tariffs, is that they will only hurt the consumer more then they realise. US car prices will go up. US jobs will be effected. imports from China will also go up. They won't be applied with due process. Trump will apply them, and if the other effected countries get hurt, then they will do the same. which means, globally, the prices will be more expensive. But like I said, he and his personal lackeys will just be rolling in cash. Including Musk. So he will very much do a lot of damage. For someone who said he wasn't interested in a job, now, full on, where do I sign? He will profit, but with so much dark money flowing. It will be impossible to track, especailly if the money flows through crypto currencies.

And you can bet a lot of money, that Trump will do everything he can to loosen the regulations on that. So again, no third party watching over them. Trump and his palls will proft, I said this before, and I will say it again. But America WILL NOT profit. but by that stage, he will be untouchable, and it will cost America a huge debt that it will not be able to pay off. Trump wanted power for revenge, this he will do, but also to milk for everything its worth. This he will also accomplish with Musk and his palls. How much will they profit from this? billions, maybe even trillions. But don't expect one ounce of that money to reach average Joe.

[Vertigo 7]

So now we know how ol' Elon is going to tackle what he perceives as government waste. He's taking to his hate chamber and posting the names of Federal employees for the MAGA freaks to go after.

This right here is why I'll never show an ounce of respect for these animals or anyone who supports them.

[chew-ie]

He's taking to his hate chamber and posting the names of Federal employees for the MAGA freaks to go after.

What could possibly go wrong...

[matthewfarmery]

So now Trump is threatening BRICS nations with 100% tariffs if they use another currency other then the dollar, they comprise of

Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, Iran, Egypt, Ethiopia, and the United Arab Emirates.

Trump is nothing but a fool. Those tariffs will hurt more then just those countries.

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Trump has said, that he had nothing to do with project 2025, well guess what, he has recruited hald of those that are involved with the project and going to implement many of the key points about the project, including federal spending, and more. So he seems to be brushing those concerns aside. So project 2025 will be an America nightmare. Even though many voters weren't happy with the project. So those that have voted for this fascist, should be proud of themselves. Goodbye democracy and welcome in a emperor with no clothes.

[Vertigo 7]

Well duh, he lied. Shocker, right? When he breathes the air comes out crooked.

Who really believed something like that never even got so much as a thumbs up from him?

[matthewfarmery]

Bit sadly many Americans supported him and voted him in, despite the warning signs. But I think the main stream media are also to blame for not covering this as much as they did. But now, I wonder how many will have voted differently if they knew this project is alive and kicking? and that it will only hurt America in the long run?

[Vertigo 7]

Dunno. It's cruel and capricious. These are things they know about Diaper Don yet they voted for him anyway. They themselves are cruel and capricious. How many of them stood up to him and said he can't treat people the way he's proposing? How many of them stood up and said his jokes about Paul Palosi were disgusting and he should stop? How many of them stood up and said Jan 6 was a line too far? They're just as disgusting and cruel as he is.

[Observe]

Well duh, he lied. Shocker, right? When he breathes the air comes out crooked.

I guess you are talking about the Biden crime family?

He's (Hunter) one of the brightest, most decent men I know...I will not pardon him.

Thankfully Biden's reign of lies and corruption is almost over. Fortunately, we dodged the Kamala bullet, so at least we have that to be thankful for.

[Chips]

You're saying pardoning family is acceptable/understandable after being convicted by your own countries courts? If the shoe was on the other political foot, would you still?

He's already said he doesn't like Trump, just disliked the alternatives more - yet all you continually do is attack people if they don't adhere/agree to your opinion, labelling them with convenience.

[Vertigo 7]

You're saying pardoning family is acceptable/understandable after being convicted by your own countries courts? If the shoe was on the other political foot, would you still?

All you continually do is attack people if they don't adhere/agree to your opinion.

Heeyyyy!!! Welcome back! Knew you wouldn't be able to stay away

What I'm saying, if you bothered to read, is that whatever punishment Hunter would have received would be vastly unproportional to others convicted of similar crimes only for the fact of him being Joe Biden's son, given the current political environment. I'm a firm believer of equal justice under the law. But you can't tell me that justice would be equal in this case. Joe Biden took the only option that was available to him to keep his son from becoming a victim of the MAGA freak mob.

[Observe]

whatever punishment Hunter would have received would be vastly unproportional to others convicted of similar crimes

The law is pretty clear:

• For willfully failing to pay taxes. The maximum penalty is 1 year of imprisonment per count. Hunter Biden failed to pay taxes for two years, so he faced a maximum of 2 years in prison for these charges.

• Biden possessed a firearm while being an unlawful user of controlled substances. The statute carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison.

Those are maximum penalties. Usually first-time offenders receive much less. Often probation instead of prison.

A plea deal Hunter Biden initially reached with prosecutors involved pleading guilty to misdemeanor tax offenses and entering a diversion program for the firearm charge. Many people thought that the plea deal was preferential treatment. This agreement collapsed in July 2023 under judicial review.

We will never know what punishment Hunter would have received. I'm guessing it would have been commensurate with the crimes committed.

[Vertigo 7]

whatever punishment Hunter would have received would be vastly unproportional to others convicted of similar crimes

The law is pretty clear:

• For willfully failing to pay taxes, under 26 U.S.C. 7203, the maximum penalty is 1 year of imprisonment per count. Hunter Biden failed to pay taxes for two years, so he faced a maximum of 2 years in prison for these charges.

• Biden possessed a firearm while being an unlawful user of controlled substances, under 18 U.S.C. 922. The statute carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison.

Those are maximum penalties. Usually first-time offenders receive much less. Often probation instead of prison.

A plea deal Hunter Biden initially reached with prosecutors involved pleading guilty to misdemeanor tax offenses and entering a diversion program for the firearm charge. Many people thought that the plea deal was preferential treatment. This agreement collapsed in July 2023 under judicial review.

We will never know what punishment Hunter would have received. I'm guessing it would have been commensurate with the crimes committed.

Quoting the law isn't going to change what the MAGA freaks will do if they're allowed to do it. They are NOT law-abiding people. They don't care about the law, other than when they have the opportunity to wield it to bludgeon their enemies with it. Hunter's shot at a fair sentence evaporated the moment the Orange one won the election. They've been salivating at the chance to take their hatred of Joe Biden out on his son since they couldn't find a single thing to go after his father for.

[Observe]

Here is Biden being lionized by liberal media for saying that he would NOT pardon Hunter. Along with lauding him as practically a saint for putting the law of the land above personal feelings. Turned out to be hogwash as usual for this President.

This is the same guy who made false claims about marching in the civil rights movement, that he was arrested in South Africa while trying to visit Nelson Mandela, visited the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh following the 2018 mass shooting, claimed he graduated in the top half of his class at Syracuse University College of Law (he was 76th in a class of 85). These are only a few examples of Biden's inability to distinguish between exaggeration and reality.

A lot of this kind of thing has too often been dismissed as "oh, that's just how Joe is. Nothing to see here".

[Vertigo 7]

And I suppose that somehow justifies throwing his son to the wolves?

[Observe]

And I suppose that somehow justifies throwing his son to the wolves?

That statement somehow doesn't compute.

Hunter is the one who succumbed to the wolves of addiction. He dug his own hole of misery. Fortunately, it appears that he has overcome those particular demons. For that, I applaud him. I do not relish the suffering that he must have endured. The media attention has no doubt made his recovery all the more difficult. May he find happiness.

[Vertigo 7]

And I suppose that somehow justifies throwing his son to the wolves?

That statement somehow doesn't compute.

Okay... I'll rephrase for you. Is your list of grievances against Joe Biden your justification to want Hunter Biden to be punished by MAGA?

[Observe]

Okay... I'll rephrase for you. Is your list of grievances against Joe Biden your justification to want Hunter Biden to be punished by MAGA?

I'm still having a hard time wrapping my head around your logic. I already said that I am happy that Hunter is on the road to recovery.

Last I heard, Hunter's punishment was in the hands of the courts - not these fabled MAGA freaks (those who you disagree with) that you keep referring to. I am quite sure that Kamala Harris in her heyday, would have prosecuted Hunter to the full extent of the law. Thats what prosecutors do.

[Vertigo 7]

Okay... I'll rephrase for you. Is your list of grievances against Joe Biden your justification to want Hunter Biden to be punished by MAGA?

I'm still having a hard time wrapping my head around your logic. I already said that I am happy that Hunter is on the road to recovery.

Last I heard, Hunter's punishment was in the hands of the courts - not these fabled MAGA freaks/those who you disagree with that you keep referring to. I am quite sure that Kamala Harris in her heyday, would have prosecuted Hunter to the full extent of the law.

I really don't get how you can't understand this. You're the one that came here to complain about this pardon. So, are you mad that Hunter Biden got pardoned or mad that Joe Biden is the one that did it? I'll remind you, it's because of the MAGA freaks his stuff is even in court at this time. As YOU pointed out, he already plead guilty and everyone would have gone on about their business like damn near every other similar case. But that didn't satisfy the MAGA freaks, they wanted blood. No one would have given a tinkers damn about this case if his name wasn't Biden. But because it is, that gave the RWNJs something to go on Faux News and rant and rave about and turn this man into a target for MAGA and the guy isn't even in politics!